As I have discussed here, the media and some Lefty front groups wish to create the impression that nurses in general share Michael Moore’s view of American health care. Not only does this misrepresent the position of most American nurses, it conflicts with the views of many who actually work in the socialized systems that SiCKO praises. 

Helen Evans, director of Nurses for Reform, is much more representative of nurses in general. Moreover, she has spent more than twenty years providing patient care in Great Britain’s National Health Service. Thus, she knows what she’s talking about when she writes, in the Chicago Tribune:

For free hospital care, Britons pay an awfully high price. Just ask the nearly 1 million British patients on waiting lists for treatment. Or the 200,000 Britons currently waiting merely to get on NHS waiting lists. Mr. Moore must have missed those folks.

Evans goes on to point out that such patients aren’t all that Moore has studiously overlooked:

When it comes to keeping patients healthy, NHS hospitals are notoriously unfit. After admittance to state hospitals, more than 10 percent of patients contract infections and illnesses that they did not have prior to arrival. And according to the Malnutrition Advisory Group, up to 60 percent of NHS patients are undernourished during inpatient stays.

How do patients deal with this? Those who can afford it go to the private health care market:

Today, more than 6.5 million people have private medical insurance, 6 million have cash plans, 8 million pay out-of-pocket for a range of complimentary therapies, and 250,000 self-fund each year for private surgery. Millions more opt for private dentistry, ophthalmics and long-term care.

So, while Michael Moore, the media, and various Lefty front groups attempt to trick the American public into accepting socialized medicine, the nurses and the patients of the NHS say such systems stink.

Who should we believe? 

Comments 16

  1. Jed wrote:

    Oh we’re soooooooo stupid that we’ll just copy and paste the entire British NHS system into our law. Yeah!!!!! woo hoo! go stupid Lefty front groups!

    man Catron, you are so ignorant to think that we would let a socialized system like that get out of hand. This is America! The land of entitlement! Can you imagine all the lefty groups who would stand in line waiting for care to be rationed? Psh yeah right.

    Hey how much are you paid to keep this site up and running? I wanna make money from lobbyist too!

    Posted 28 Jun 2007 at 3:37 pm
  2. Robert wrote:

    Man, Jed, you are so ignorant to think that we wouldn’t let a socialized system like that get out of hand. This is American the land of entitlement.

    Posted 29 Jun 2007 at 11:30 am
  3. pdl wrote:

    >the nurses and the patients of the NHS say such systems stink.

    Quite the opposite, the British people love the NHS. It’s also pretty good since Blair started pumping even more money into it. You get treated immediately for emergencies and wait a month or two for non-emergency surgery.

    ¨Helen Evans¨ sounds like she’s working for some dodgy right-wing pressure group. One thing’s for sure the number of people who would support her views on the NHS would be close to zero in the UK.

    Posted 30 Jun 2007 at 1:29 pm
  4. Catron wrote:

    Helen Evans¨ sounds like she’s working for some dodgy right-wing pressure group.

    I deal with such tinfoil-hat thinking here.

    Posted 30 Jun 2007 at 1:34 pm
  5. pdl wrote:

    Actually Helen Evans is married to Tim Evans who runs the ¨Libertarian Alliance¨ – so she is linked to a dodgy right-wing group. Thanks for playing …

    Posted 30 Jun 2007 at 2:49 pm
  6. Catron wrote:

    Two points:

    1) It’s ridiculous to lump libertarians in with the “right wing” (whatever that is).

    2) You might consider actually thinking about the points she makes.

    Posted 30 Jun 2007 at 4:34 pm
  7. pdl wrote:

    In your world Libertarians might not be right-wing but in the real world they are considered both right-wing and extremists (nutty might be an even better description). Given this background taking Helen Evans attempted assassination piece at face value would be stupid to say the least.

    My experience of the NHS simply does not tally with the picture Helen Evans paints (and after finding out about her links I’m not surprised). I get treatment when I want from my GP. Relatives with everything from broken hips, bypass surgery, to leukaemia also get immediate treatment. None of them have any complaints about the NHS.

    Whatever the NHS’s problems Helen Evans is not to be trusted, except by the gullible.

    Posted 30 Jun 2007 at 5:59 pm
  8. Catron wrote:

    In your world Libertarians might not be right-wing but in the real world they are considered both right-wing and extremists.

    As long as you remain too lazy to learn basic political nomenclature, you are going to have difficulty getting the grown-ups to take you seriously.

    If you would like to have an actual clue about Libertarianism, here’s a basic description that even you will be able to grasp.

    Posted 30 Jun 2007 at 8:01 pm
  9. pacermike wrote:

    Ha pdl, Helen Evans is not to be trusted but Michael Moore is? This guy’s been caught lying, distorting facts and manufacturing false impressions every time he puts out a movie so he can paint the picture the way he wants you to see it. So Helen Evans so-called assassination piece as you call it would look more like an attempted “hugging” next to how Moore treats his subjects. I’m amazed that people still afford the guy any credibility with his track record being what it is. I guess as long as he’s saying stuff people want to hear it doesn’t really matter if it’s true or not.

    Posted 13 Jul 2007 at 2:55 am
  10. Kim Stiens wrote:

    So, in Britian they have a flawed system where the poor do not have access to as good of care as the rich (since I’m gonna guess it takes a decent chunk of change to pay out-of-pocket for private British healthcare). Whereas, in America, most poor people just plain don’t have access to healthcare at all. Still sounds better in Britain.
    Do you really think that changing the payment system for healthcare in the United States is going to cause more infections? That the doctors, the same doctors that practice now, will somehow be worse once the government is writing them checks? Just because there are flaws in a system doesn’t mean the whole idea is bunk. There are clearly huge, giant flaws in the american insurance system, and this is acknowledged by ALL, but clearly there are enough people (like those who post here) who still think it is worth it, just needs to be fixed. Are americans incapable of examining a policy on its merits, rather than trying to find a way that France or Britain or Canada is worse?

    Posted 19 Jul 2007 at 6:09 pm
  11. Catron wrote:

    Whereas, in America, most poor people just plain don’t have access to healthcare at all.

    Kim, it simply isn’t true that poor people in this country don’t have access to health care. A typical American hospital provides about 5% of its care free. In my hospital, that means we give away about $10 million a year to indigent patients. We also treat Medicaid and SCHIP patients, who are by definition poor, and lose money on every one of them.

    There are clearly huge, giant flaws in the American insurance system.

    It’s true that the system needs to be reformed. The question is how best to do it. The objective data show that government-run health care is inefficient and, in many cases, cruel. I believe that the opposite route should be taken. If we deregulate and fix the perverse incentives built in to the tax code, we will accomplish much more than if we empower government to run the system.

    Posted 19 Jul 2007 at 9:15 pm
  12. Filipe McManus wrote:

    The US has amazing hospitals. The problem is, only the super-rich have full access to their services.

    Posted 08 Feb 2008 at 8:09 am
  13. Kevin wrote:

    Okay it’s stupid that some of you think libertarians are extremist. They’re actually not on a “wing.”
    Libertarians are towards the right, but in a category of less government involvement.
    Kinda like anarchists, but not so stupid and wannabe-anti-conformist.
    They’re basically anti-government but with morals. If that makes any sense to any of you.

    Posted 10 Jun 2008 at 9:37 am
  14. Jay wrote:

    As a Canadian, i am more than happy that I don’t have to go through the American system. SiCko is a movie, a docutainment if you will. They look at the extremes at both ends of the spectrum. I’ve never had to pay for any surgical procedures that I have had. Gashed throat, stitched up head no fee. Got in right away. It’s an emergency. Friend needs to get surgury on a torn acl sustained earlier this year. He has to wait, non-emergency. But free. In the end I’m happy with what I have. No hassles.

    Posted 23 Oct 2008 at 2:53 pm
  15. Russell wrote:

    Your health care isn’t “free,” Jay. You Canadians are taxed so heavily that it takes six months to pay your tax bill. Wake up, dude, and read the following link:

    Posted 23 Oct 2008 at 3:39 pm
  16. Daniel wrote:

    It turns out that American health care isn’t so bad…

    Posted 22 Apr 2009 at 9:10 pm

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