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	<title>Comments on: MEDICAL BANKRUPTCY MYTH DEBUNKED AGAIN</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/19/medical-bankruptcy-myth-debunked-yet-again/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/19/medical-bankruptcy-myth-debunked-yet-again/#comment-4518</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You mean people who tell the truth?&lt;/em&gt;

Nope. I mean Himmelstein.

&lt;em&gt;Should you not be grateful to Himmelstein et al for at least attempting to look at what’s happening?&lt;/em&gt;

Himmelstein et al are attempting nothing of the kind. They are in the business of agitprop, as is Ron Pollack and &lt;em&gt;Families USA&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You mean people who tell the truth?</em></p>
<p>Nope. I mean Himmelstein.</p>
<p><em>Should you not be grateful to Himmelstein et al for at least attempting to look at what’s happening?</em></p>
<p>Himmelstein et al are attempting nothing of the kind. They are in the business of agitprop, as is Ron Pollack and <em>Families USA</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/19/medical-bankruptcy-myth-debunked-yet-again/#comment-4509</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘When are these people going to start playing it straight?’

You mean people who tell the truth?

For start, Himmelstein’s study, if you bother to read it (did you?) does not make the claims you say - as an acedemic work they are entitely cautious -

‘Even when data are reliable, making causal inferences from a cross sectional study such as ours is perilous,’

- they write. Yet you do just that when it is an addition to the evidence base, not some amazing supposed answer (and don’t you wonder why you don’t have answers to such fundamental questions at your fingertips? - should you not be grateful to Himmelstein et al for at least attempting to look at what’s happening?),

As for the rates of people insured, have a look at http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/82million_uninsured_report6fdc.pdf

where you’ll find that the day to day rates of the uninsured are much higher than you think:

‘Every year, the U.S. Census Bureau—in its Current Population Survey (CPS)—reports the number of people who are uninsured. This widely quoted number is intended to offer an estimate of how many people did not have any type of health insurance for the entire previous calendar year. In September 2003, the CPS report estimated that there were 43.6 million uninsured
people in the United States in 2002. This represents an increase from 14.6 percent to 15.2 percent of the population, or 2.4 million people more than 2001—the largest increase in a decade. There are many people, however, who are uninsured for a portion of a year
but not for the entire year. These individuals are not reflected in the widely quoted Census Bureau number, but they may be profoundly affected by their
uninsured status—in terms of both their physical and their economic wellbeing.
To fully understand the scope of the problem—to know how many Americans are directly affected by a lack of health insurance—we need to broaden our sights and include those who are uninsured for a portion of the
year, as well.
This report examines how many people under the age of 65 were without health insurance for all or part of 2002 and 2003. The findings are based exclusively on
data projections drawn from the most recent CPS as well as the Census Bureau’s Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP).
Based on this analysis, approximately 81.8 million people—one out of three (32.2 percent) of those under the age of 65—were without health insurance for
all or part of 2002 and 2003. Of these 81.8 million uninsured individuals, two thirds (65.3 percent) were uninsured for six months or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘When are these people going to start playing it straight?’</p>
<p>You mean people who tell the truth?</p>
<p>For start, Himmelstein’s study, if you bother to read it (did you?) does not make the claims you say - as an acedemic work they are entitely cautious -</p>
<p>‘Even when data are reliable, making causal inferences from a cross sectional study such as ours is perilous,’</p>
<p>- they write. Yet you do just that when it is an addition to the evidence base, not some amazing supposed answer (and don’t you wonder why you don’t have answers to such fundamental questions at your fingertips? - should you not be grateful to Himmelstein et al for at least attempting to look at what’s happening?),</p>
<p>As for the rates of people insured, have a look at <a href="http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/82million_uninsured_report6fdc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.familiesusa.org/assets/pdfs/82million_uninsured_report6fdc.pdf</a></p>
<p>where you’ll find that the day to day rates of the uninsured are much higher than you think:</p>
<p>‘Every year, the U.S. Census Bureau—in its Current Population Survey (CPS)—reports the number of people who are uninsured. This widely quoted number is intended to offer an estimate of how many people did not have any type of health insurance for the entire previous calendar year. In September 2003, the CPS report estimated that there were 43.6 million uninsured<br />
people in the United States in 2002. This represents an increase from 14.6 percent to 15.2 percent of the population, or 2.4 million people more than 2001—the largest increase in a decade. There are many people, however, who are uninsured for a portion of a year<br />
but not for the entire year. These individuals are not reflected in the widely quoted Census Bureau number, but they may be profoundly affected by their<br />
uninsured status—in terms of both their physical and their economic wellbeing.<br />
To fully understand the scope of the problem—to know how many Americans are directly affected by a lack of health insurance—we need to broaden our sights and include those who are uninsured for a portion of the<br />
year, as well.<br />
This report examines how many people under the age of 65 were without health insurance for all or part of 2002 and 2003. The findings are based exclusively on<br />
data projections drawn from the most recent CPS as well as the Census Bureau’s Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP).<br />
Based on this analysis, approximately 81.8 million people—one out of three (32.2 percent) of those under the age of 65—were without health insurance for<br />
all or part of 2002 and 2003. Of these 81.8 million uninsured individuals, two thirds (65.3 percent) were uninsured for six months or more.</p>
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