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	<title>Comments on: SOCIALIZED MEDICINE &#038; SOCIAL PRETENSE</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/27/socialized-medicine-and-social-pretension/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/27/socialized-medicine-and-social-pretension/#comment-4785</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If single-payer is BS, it seems that such narrow quote-mining isnâ€™t necessary to prove it.&lt;/em&gt;

The post is less about â€œsingle-payer" than the social pretension that permeates the â€œprogressiveâ€? blogosphere. Kleinâ€™s blog positively reeks of it.

&lt;em&gt;I think â€œsingle payerâ€? is erroneously conflated with â€œsocializedâ€? or government-run medicine.&lt;/em&gt;

â€œSingle-payer,â€? â€œuniversal health care,â€? etc. are &lt;a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/16/socialized-medicine-and-the-veil-of-euphemism/" rel="nofollow"&gt;euphemisms&lt;/a&gt;. If our masters in Washington control the money, itâ€™s government-run health care. And the more control they get the more they will meddle with (all aspects of) the delivery system. My favorite trope on this comes from &lt;em&gt;Panda Bear, MD&lt;/em&gt;, whom I quote &lt;a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/03/31/is-single-payer-health-care-socialized-medicine/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;Itâ€™s doubtful either political party will have either the gumption or numbers to anything very significant about it anyway.&lt;/em&gt;

Youâ€™re probably right. On health care, the Democrats and Republicans are dumb and dumber (not necessarily in that order).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If single-payer is BS, it seems that such narrow quote-mining isnâ€™t necessary to prove it.</em></p>
<p>The post is less about â€œsingle-payer&#8221; than the social pretension that permeates the â€œprogressiveâ€? blogosphere. Kleinâ€™s blog positively reeks of it.</p>
<p><em>I think â€œsingle payerâ€? is erroneously conflated with â€œsocializedâ€? or government-run medicine.</em></p>
<p>â€œSingle-payer,â€? â€œuniversal health care,â€? etc. are <a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/16/socialized-medicine-and-the-veil-of-euphemism/" rel="nofollow">euphemisms</a>. If our masters in Washington control the money, itâ€™s government-run health care. And the more control they get the more they will meddle with (all aspects of) the delivery system. My favorite trope on this comes from <em>Panda Bear, MD</em>, whom I quote <a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/03/31/is-single-payer-health-care-socialized-medicine/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p><em>Itâ€™s doubtful either political party will have either the gumption or numbers to anything very significant about it anyway.</em></p>
<p>Youâ€™re probably right. On health care, the Democrats and Republicans are dumb and dumber (not necessarily in that order).</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Schwab</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/27/socialized-medicine-and-social-pretension/#comment-4782</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/07/27/socialized-medicine-and-social-pretension/#comment-4782</guid>
		<description>Actually, the "reality based community" designation is based on a quote from one of Bush's press people lo these eons ago; that person derided the concept, saying "we make our own reality." And look where it's gotten us.

Meanwhile, the Ezra Klein link you provided seems to put the lie to your reverse-telescope focus. Whatever the tone of your brief quote, "distasteful" seems to be off-point as a characterization, in that he goes on in detail to address the issue. If single-payer is BS, it seems that such narrow quote-mining isn't necessary to prove it. And, as I've said on my blog, I think "single payer" is erroneously conflated with "socialized" or government-run medicine. My view of it is a system that streamlines the payment of health care costs by eliminating the myriad insurers who divert gazillions of dollars from providing care into the pockets of executives, investors, and add to cost by their enormous (compareded to Medicare) overheads. There's no reason why "single payer" means an end to the free enterprise format of the providers of health care; only of the unnecessary siphoning of money by the insurance industry which adds little if any value to the system. That's what I see, anyhow. And when push comes to shove, it's doubtful either political party will have either the gumption or numbers to anything very significant about it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the &#8220;reality based community&#8221; designation is based on a quote from one of Bush&#8217;s press people lo these eons ago; that person derided the concept, saying &#8220;we make our own reality.&#8221; And look where it&#8217;s gotten us.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Ezra Klein link you provided seems to put the lie to your reverse-telescope focus. Whatever the tone of your brief quote, &#8220;distasteful&#8221; seems to be off-point as a characterization, in that he goes on in detail to address the issue. If single-payer is BS, it seems that such narrow quote-mining isn&#8217;t necessary to prove it. And, as I&#8217;ve said on my blog, I think &#8220;single payer&#8221; is erroneously conflated with &#8220;socialized&#8221; or government-run medicine. My view of it is a system that streamlines the payment of health care costs by eliminating the myriad insurers who divert gazillions of dollars from providing care into the pockets of executives, investors, and add to cost by their enormous (compareded to Medicare) overheads. There&#8217;s no reason why &#8220;single payer&#8221; means an end to the free enterprise format of the providers of health care; only of the unnecessary siphoning of money by the insurance industry which adds little if any value to the system. That&#8217;s what I see, anyhow. And when push comes to shove, it&#8217;s doubtful either political party will have either the gumption or numbers to anything very significant about it anyway.</p>
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