Comments on: Giuliani, Health Care, and the Media http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: spike http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-5040 spike Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:00:41 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-5040 Haha, yeah, 6 years of bad ideas being easily passed will hopefully be enough for this decade. Haha, yeah, 6 years of bad ideas being easily passed will hopefully be enough for this decade.

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-5006 Catron Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:17:27 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-5006 I would rather see Giuliani having a tough time getting good ideas through than Hillary having an easy time getting bad ideas passed. I would rather see Giuliani having a tough time getting good ideas through than Hillary having an easy time getting bad ideas passed.

]]> By: Matt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-5004 Matt Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:20:37 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-5004 You're right, the ideas matter. But rather than debate the merits, or lack thereof, of the ideas, you're off on the old "liberal media" line. The reason it matters that they're essentially identical to Bush's is that Bush couldn't get them through a Republican Congress. So why does anyone think Giuliani can get them through a Democratic one? You’re right, the ideas matter. But rather than debate the merits, or lack thereof, of the ideas, you’re off on the old “liberal media” line. The reason it matters that they’re essentially identical to Bush’s is that Bush couldn’t get them through a Republican Congress. So why does anyone think Giuliani can get them through a Democratic one?

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-4993 Catron Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:38:19 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-4993 <em>Maybe we all reached the same conclusion — that Giuliani’s plan is a copy of Bush’s — simply because, uh, it’s true?</em> Two points: I’m not much on vast conspiracies, Right or Left, but the highly formulaic verbiage, combined with its rapid deployment by so many sources, is pretty suspicious. If it had come from a couple of random experts and taken a few days to be picked up by the establishment media, the whole thing would have been much more plausible. That Giuliani’s plan is similar to Bush’s isn’t the test of its usefulness. The ideas themselves should be what matters. Reading the commentary on Rudycare, it’s difficult to escape the impression that ANY proposal from Hizzoner or Bush would be similarly denounced regardless of its content. Oh, and say Hi to Howard for me. Maybe we all reached the same conclusion — that Giuliani’s plan is a copy of Bush’s — simply because, uh, it’s true?

Two points:

I’m not much on vast conspiracies, Right or Left, but the highly formulaic verbiage, combined with its rapid deployment by so many sources, is pretty suspicious. If it had come from a couple of random experts and taken a few days to be picked up by the establishment media, the whole thing would have been much more plausible.

That Giuliani’s plan is similar to Bush’s isn’t the test of its usefulness. The ideas themselves should be what matters. Reading the commentary on Rudycare, it’s difficult to escape the impression that ANY proposal from Hizzoner or Bush would be similarly denounced regardless of its content.

Oh, and say Hi to Howard for me.

]]> By: Jonathan Cohn http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-4986 Jonathan Cohn Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:59:34 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/08/02/giuliani-health-care-and-the-media/#comment-4986 Gee, before accusing all of us of being DNC shills, might you consider another possibily? Maybe we all reached the same conclusion -- that Giuliani's plan is a copy of Bush's -- simply because, uh, it's true? I can tell you that the similarity was the very first thing I noticed -- largely because I had written about Bush's plan when it came out in January. (Which you would have known, if you'd bothered with even a cursory check of my past articles.) Look, you're entitled to your own opinion on whether it's a good idea or not. That's a worthy and important debate, in which I -- for one -- would be happy to engage. Or is this your way of ducking that debate, because you think you can't win it? Ok, gotta go know. Howard Dean is on the line with my marching orders for tomorrow. [That's a joke, by the way, in case somebody stumbles across this in Google.] Gee, before accusing all of us of being DNC shills, might you consider another possibily? Maybe we all reached the same conclusion — that Giuliani’s plan is a copy of Bush’s — simply because, uh, it’s true?

I can tell you that the similarity was the very first thing I noticed — largely because I had written about Bush’s plan when it came out in January. (Which you would have known, if you’d bothered with even a cursory check of my past articles.)

Look, you’re entitled to your own opinion on whether it’s a good idea or not. That’s a worthy and important debate, in which I — for one — would be happy to engage.

Or is this your way of ducking that debate, because you think you can’t win it?

Ok, gotta go know. Howard Dean is on the line with my marching orders for tomorrow. [That’s a joke, by the way, in case somebody stumbles across this in Google.]

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