Comments on: Ron Paul: Selective Libertarian http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:57:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Bryce http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-123674 Bryce Tue, 06 May 2008 03:22:11 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-123674 If Libertarianism is: A. Wanting government to protect against invasions. B. Wanting government to protect our rights as humans. and C. Wanting government to stay the eff out of our lives. Then Ron Paul's position fits quite nicely with Libertarianism. Perhaps a more conservative approach to it, but still. Unless you think the rights of the unborn are non-existent, then we must also protect their right to life. If Libertarianism is:
A. Wanting government to protect against invasions.
B. Wanting government to protect our rights as humans.
and
C. Wanting government to stay the eff out of our lives.
Then Ron Paul’s position fits quite nicely with Libertarianism. Perhaps a more conservative approach to it, but still. Unless you think the rights of the unborn are non-existent, then we must also protect their right to life.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-21118 Jennifer Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:21:56 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-21118 I don't know why everybody insists on labeling Paul a Libertarian just because he ran that way once(!) ...he ran as a Republican 10 times. He's really more of a Constitutionalist than a Republican or Libertarian. I don’t know why everybody insists on labeling Paul a Libertarian just because he ran that way once(!) …he ran as a Republican 10 times. He’s really more of a Constitutionalist than a Republican or Libertarian.

]]> By: ray http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-9037 ray Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:46:42 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-9037 "So, Barney, is state meddling OK? Odd position for an alleged Libertarian." Well, Catron, I wouldn't say its really that odd for someone running for President, and not governor of whatever state you happen to live in. You don't want to choose at the state level? You want the mandate handed down from-on-federal-high? I apologize, I know you didn't say that or even imply it, but what exactly are you arguing? "Making intrusive laws at the state level is also anti-libertarian." You are right, but once again, this doesn't really have to do with the President. “So, Barney, is state meddling OK? Odd position for an alleged Libertarian.”

Well, Catron, I wouldn’t say its really that odd for someone running for President, and not governor of whatever state you happen to live in. You don’t want to choose at the state level? You want the mandate handed down from-on-federal-high? I apologize, I know you didn’t say that or even imply it, but what exactly are you arguing?

“Making intrusive laws at the state level is also anti-libertarian.”

You are right, but once again, this doesn’t really have to do with the President.

]]> By: Brian Miller http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8916 Brian Miller Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:50:48 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8916 This uppercase Libertarian doesn't see what all the fuss is about. Ron Paul wants to use government power to ban abortion. Ron Paul wants to use government power to close the borders and end free trade of labor. Ron Paul wants to use government power to define "marriage" and put the government, rather than private citizens, in the role of defining and regulating private relationships. Ron Paul likes big government when its big government set to his purposes. So this big L Libertarian understands why Paul is a Republican, and not a Libertarian. What he doesn't understand is this persistent effort by right-conservatives (like Jesubub) to steal the "libertarian" branding when they aren't libertarians. You guys are right-conservatives. Embrace it and live it, and stop trying to dub yourselves as something you're not. This uppercase Libertarian doesn’t see what all the fuss is about.

Ron Paul wants to use government power to ban abortion.

Ron Paul wants to use government power to close the borders and end free trade of labor.

Ron Paul wants to use government power to define “marriage” and put the government, rather than private citizens, in the role of defining and regulating private relationships.

Ron Paul likes big government when its big government set to his purposes.

So this big L Libertarian understands why Paul is a Republican, and not a Libertarian. What he doesn’t understand is this persistent effort by right-conservatives (like Jesubub) to steal the “libertarian” branding when they aren’t libertarians.

You guys are right-conservatives. Embrace it and live it, and stop trying to dub yourselves as something you’re not.

]]> By: Jesubub http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8367 Jesubub Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:05:46 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8367 The uppercase Libertarians will ride this country down the tubes with establishment Presidents before conceding that Ron Paul's immigration stance is correct in the context of our welfare state. It's weird that they harp on that more than the existence of the welfare state. That's why their LP affiliation is dangerous and counterproductive. Try being a lowercase libertarian. The uppercase Libertarians will ride this country down the tubes with establishment Presidents before conceding that Ron Paul’s immigration stance is correct in the context of our welfare state. It’s weird that they harp on that more than the existence of the welfare state. That’s why their LP affiliation is dangerous and counterproductive. Try being a lowercase libertarian.

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8363 Catron Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:57:07 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8363 So, Barney, is state meddling OK? Odd position for an alleged Libertarian. So, Barney, is state meddling OK? Odd position for an alleged Libertarian.

]]> By: barney http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8362 barney Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:34:38 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8362 You should get in contact with NASA then. “Abortion is bad, but government meddling in the decision is worse.” Right, and Dr Paul wants to remove the current Federal government meddling. You should get in contact with NASA then.

“Abortion is bad, but government meddling in the decision is worse.” Right, and Dr Paul wants to remove the current Federal government meddling.

]]> By: once more with feeling » Blog Archive » Health Care BS http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8352 once more with feeling » Blog Archive » Health Care BS Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:00:05 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8352 [...] What an aptly named blog. [...] […] What an aptly named blog. […]

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8350 Catron Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:12:06 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8350 <em>Making laws centrally, top down, from the federal gov’t; not libertarian.</em> Making intrusive laws at the state level is also anti-libertarian. Making laws centrally, top down, from the federal gov’t; not libertarian.

Making intrusive laws at the state level is also anti-libertarian.

]]> By: blewsdawg http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8346 blewsdawg Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:05:14 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/10/12/ron-paul-selective-libertarian/#comment-8346 He wants fifty separate states to be empowered to make their laws regarding abortion separately. That is very much a libertarian position. Making laws centrally, top down, from the federal gov't; not libertarian. I'm personally pro-choice on abortion. I would lobby my state of Virginia to keep abortion legal. And I don't believe for a second that more than half of the states would make it illegal. I count eleven that almost certainly would, twenty-three that would not. The rest, I'm honestly not sure. But with a twelve state advantage, right out of the gate, I like th odds He wants fifty separate states to be empowered to make their laws regarding abortion separately. That is very much a libertarian position. Making laws centrally, top down, from the federal gov’t; not libertarian.

I’m personally pro-choice on abortion. I would lobby my state of Virginia to keep abortion legal. And I don’t believe for a second that more than half of the states would make it illegal. I count eleven that almost certainly would, twenty-three that would not. The rest, I’m honestly not sure. But with a twelve state advantage, right out of the gate, I like th odds

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