Comments on: Dick Cheney’s Heart

By: drmatt

drmatt — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:24:05 +0000

where other pioneers one man corporations?

By: Marc Brown

Marc Brown — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:11 +0000

Gruentzig is famous for pioneering angioplasty. He did the first on an awake human in 1977 at the university hosiptal in Zurich, where he worked.

Oh, and Crick and Watson discovered DNA at Cambridge University.

By: Catron

Catron — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:23:49 +0000

Was Dr. Gruentzig a kind of one-man bureaucracy?

By: drmatt

drmatt — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:17:24 +0000

Sorry, I answered the wrong question, per cutaneous intervention was developed by a radiologist by the name of Dr. Andreas Gruentzig, german trained, but developed the techninque in 1977 in switzerland. not sure what proof you want, I wasnt there and I dont know if there are pictures or videos.

By: Catron

Catron — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:49:50 +0000

Come on, drmatt, I asked you to prove your assertion that we owe percutaneous interventions to some government bureaucracy (in Switzerland). Instead, you’re giving me irrelevant info (from the other side of the planet) relating to another point.

By: Rich

Rich — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:16:16 +0000

Digoxin turns out to be a quality of life drug. Not realy developed by big pharma, though.

Big pharma did develop several inotropes which were quality of life drugs, unfortunately, most of the patients felt great until they died. These seem to be making a small comeback, however.

By: drmatt

drmatt — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:05:17 +0000

what is the point of quantity of life if you can’t afford to eat because of the cost of your medications?

I actually dont believe that you want to see any data that supports anything good could have come from a nationalized health system but here you are

In 1928 Dr Mark C Lidwell of the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital of Sydney, supported by physicist Edgar H Booth of the University of Sydney, devised a portable apparatus which “plugged into a lighting point” and in which “One pole was applied to a skin pad soaked in strong salt solution” while the other pole “consisted of a needle insulated except at its point, and was plunged into the appropriate cardiac chamber”. “The pacemaker rate was variable from about 80 to 120 pulses per minute, and likewise the voltage variable from 1.5 to 120 volts” The apparatus was used to revive a stillborn infant at Crown Street Women’s Hospital, Sydney whose heart continued “to beat on its own accord”, “at the end of 10 minutes” of stimulation.[2][3]

All work from this point on had to spring from this initial work.

By: Catron

Catron — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:46:02 +0000

BIG PHARMA has developed “quantity of life medication�?

Pretty hard to have a decent quality of life when you’re dead.

Who’s research did “teletronics�? use to develop it? the work of people in a national health system

If the hospital system is nationalized, it’s pretty hard to use data from a private system.

that is where it came from

I’d love to see some support for that assertion.

By: drmatt

drmatt — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:40:30 +0000

1 As far as I know BIG PHARMA has developed “quantity of life medication” I know of no quality of life medication they have developed for heart patients

2 Who’s research did “teletronics” use to develop it? yup, the work of people in a national health system

3 read and learn, that is where it came from, along with a lot of other life saving and life improving measures.

By: Catron

Catron — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:53:30 +0000

First, many of the quality-of-life advances for heart patients have been brought about by state-of-the-art pharmaceuticals, developed by those fiends at BIG PHARMA.

Second, the first truly reliable pacemakers were developed by Telectronics, an Australian CORPORATION.

Third, surely even you are not suggesting that we owe percutaneous interventions to some government bureaucracy.