Comments on: MORAL HEALTH CARE vs. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:04:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-12111 drmatt Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:24:23 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-12111 I didn't see any facts beyond those that are historical, just supposition, assumptions and bad comparisons. I didn’t see any facts beyond those that are historical, just supposition, assumptions and bad comparisons.

]]> By: Rich http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11947 Rich Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:10:01 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11947 Ignoring basic economic principles does not make them vanish. Ignoring basic economic principles does not make them vanish.

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11937 Catron Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:53:33 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11937 Marc/drmatt, I notice neither of you address any of the article's fact claims. Très intéressant. Marc/drmatt, I notice neither of you address any of the article’s fact claims. Très intéressant.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11930 Marc Brown Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:23:26 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11930 Yes, the article is one of the longest jokes I've ever seen - all it does is propose returning to the times we had in Victorian Britain, where the poor had to rely on charity. And it puts the rights of corporations above people. It's nonsense, from beginning to end. Yes, the article is one of the longest jokes I’ve ever seen - all it does is propose returning to the times we had in Victorian Britain, where the poor had to rely on charity. And it puts the rights of corporations above people. It’s nonsense, from beginning to end.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11923 drmatt Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:22 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11923 I guess you missed the point as well. The govt meddling was brought on by the gaps in care left by the insurance companies, and the insurance companies requests through lobbying. I guess you missed the point as well. The govt meddling was brought on by the gaps in care left by the insurance companies, and the insurance companies requests through lobbying.

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11921 Catron Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:21:49 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11921 <em>It is well established that the concerns of human suffering and death far out weigh the rights of businessmen and doctors.</em> You have once again missed the point, which is as follows: a health care system in which the government contantly meddles INCREASES patient suffering while damaging the providers who must take care of them. It is well established that the concerns of human suffering and death far out weigh the rights of businessmen and doctors.

You have once again missed the point, which is as follows: a health care system in which the government contantly meddles INCREASES patient suffering while damaging the providers who must take care of them.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11916 drmatt Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:59:34 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/07/moral-health-care-vs-universal-health-care/#comment-11916 WOW, I have to admit that I don't think I have ever read a more poorly written piece of trash. That article had more incorrect assumptions and comparisons than your standard state of the union address. First, the insurance industry wanted medicare and medicaide, these are populations with higher risks that they didnt want to cover, they lobbied for it for gods sake, just like every business lobbies for it’s interests, and blue cross and blue shield started as non profit, and got advantages, all non profits get advantages in this country, credit unions, churches etc. etc. that "is" how business works. The insurance industry wanted to do business with employers, one time payments, one organization to bill and collect from, it is easier. The government has stepped in only in response to heavy lobby from the insurance industry, or where the industry was lacking, so realistically the whole mess that we now have was created and driven by “private” health care, and now you are crying about it? Health insurance/care has had almost 100 years to get it right, and look what we have. And comparing car or home insurance to health insurance, give me a break, these insurances are catastrophy only ins, they don’t cover normal wear and tear, which is what we are asking from health ins, these are not comparable, sad, very sad. “The goal of “universal health care” (a euphemism for socialized medicine) is both immoral and impractical; it violates the rights of businessmen, doctors, and patients to act on their own judgment—which, in turn, throttles their ability to produce, administer, or purchase the goods and services in question” These people are clearly uneducated about morals and ethics, it is well established that the concerns of human suffering and death far out weigh the rights of businessmen and doctors. A link to this article is sad, even for you. WOW, I have to admit that I don’t think I have ever read a more poorly written piece of trash. That article had more incorrect assumptions and comparisons than your standard state of the union address. First, the insurance industry wanted medicare and medicaide, these are populations with higher risks that they didnt want to cover, they lobbied for it for gods sake, just like every business lobbies for it’s interests, and blue cross and blue shield started as non profit, and got advantages, all non profits get advantages in this country, credit unions, churches etc. etc. that “is” how business works. The insurance industry wanted to do business with employers, one time payments, one organization to bill and collect from, it is easier. The government has stepped in only in response to heavy lobby from the insurance industry, or where the industry was lacking, so realistically the whole mess that we now have was created and driven by “private” health care, and now you are crying about it? Health insurance/care has had almost 100 years to get it right, and look what we have. And comparing car or home insurance to health insurance, give me a break, these insurances are catastrophy only ins, they don’t cover normal wear and tear, which is what we are asking from health ins, these are not comparable, sad, very sad.
“The goal of “universal health care” (a euphemism for socialized medicine) is both immoral and impractical; it violates the rights of businessmen, doctors, and patients to act on their own judgment—which, in turn, throttles their ability to produce, administer, or purchase the goods and services in question” These people are clearly uneducated about morals and ethics, it is well established that the concerns of human suffering and death far out weigh the rights of businessmen and doctors.
A link to this article is sad, even for you.

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