Comments on: MAINE: COVERING THREE FOR THE PRICE OF NINE http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:50:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12181 Catron Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:22:41 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12181 Crowd-out is the collective effect of many individuals responding to market incentives. It isn't restricted to health care and it isn't controlled by the insurance companies. No one entity can "cherry pick" the market in the way you suggest. Crowd-out is the collective effect of many individuals responding to market incentives. It isn’t restricted to health care and it isn’t controlled by the insurance companies. No one entity can “cherry pick” the market in the way you suggest.

]]> By: Zagreus Ammon http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12177 Zagreus Ammon Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:48:46 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12177 Thanks for the link, but far from not understanding the issue, I make the point that "crowding out" can certainly be interpreted as cherry picking since we are removing the lowest income (i.e. highest risk) individuals from the pool. AHIP chimes in whenever it convenient for the industry and let's not forget that Medicaid managed care is certainly very profitable for the industry. If 2/3 were previously covered, can you tell me if this was from commercial insurance or Medicaid? The under insured tend to bounce from one to the other, but especially on and off the Medicaid rolls. Perhaps the real enemy are all those middle class people trying to get something for nothing. So why is government pumping money into health care again? Let's answer that question before you impetuously misrepresent questioning views. Thanks for the link, but far from not understanding the issue, I make the point that “crowding out” can certainly be interpreted as cherry picking since we are removing the lowest income (i.e. highest risk) individuals from the pool. AHIP chimes in whenever it convenient for the industry and let’s not forget that Medicaid managed care is certainly very profitable for the industry.

If 2/3 were previously covered, can you tell me if this was from commercial insurance or Medicaid? The under insured tend to bounce from one to the other, but especially on and off the Medicaid rolls.

Perhaps the real enemy are all those middle class people trying to get something for nothing.

So why is government pumping money into health care again? Let’s answer that question before you impetuously misrepresent questioning views.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12172 Marc Brown Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:37:16 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12172 'No wait, we’ll get everything the government tells us we need. What we want, specifically, is irrelevant.' If you are at all bothered, you'll realise that what lower income people want is affordable insurance, which is precisely what the Maine scheme is for. ‘No wait, we’ll get everything the government tells us we need. What we want, specifically, is irrelevant.’

If you are at all bothered, you’ll realise that what lower income people want is affordable insurance, which is precisely what the Maine scheme is for.

]]> By: Rich http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12136 Rich Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:45:56 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12136 We are moving ever closer to that utopia in which the government provides for all and there is no personal responsibility. Instead of negotiating for good coverage for my employees, they and I will all pay much more in taxes than I pay now for their coverage, so that they can consume less healthcare services. I am sure we will all get everything we want and need. No wait, we'll get everything the government tells us we need. What we want, specifically, is irrelevant. We'll spend more of our hard earned dollars for less, anyway. That only makes you happy of you have nothing the government can take away. We are moving ever closer to that utopia in which the government provides for all and there is no personal responsibility. Instead of negotiating for good coverage for my employees, they and I will all pay much more in taxes than I pay now for their coverage, so that they can consume less healthcare services. I am sure we will all get everything we want and need.

No wait, we’ll get everything the government tells us we need. What we want, specifically, is irrelevant. We’ll spend more of our hard earned dollars for less, anyway. That only makes you happy of you have nothing the government can take away.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12128 drmatt Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:27:17 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12128 Funded and paid for are two different things, the underinsured where always a target of this program, so you would expect a large number of participants to have prviously been insured. When they were underinsured and got crappy care, who do you think paid for it then? you did what are you gripping about. Funded and paid for are two different things, the underinsured where always a target of this program, so you would expect a large number of participants to have prviously been insured. When they were underinsured and got crappy care, who do you think paid for it then? you did what are you gripping about.

]]> By: Rich http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12125 Rich Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:12:14 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12125 "After 20 months of operation, almost 11,100 individuals were enrolled in DirigoChoice, about one-third of whom did not have coverage before enrolling." The point is, that 2/3 of the 11,100 DID have coverage before enrolling. Paid for by someone other than the government. Now they are funded by the government. How do you suppose their insurance was funded prior to this program? The fact that it is provided by Anthem has nothing to do with the source of the funds. “After 20 months of operation, almost 11,100 individuals were enrolled in DirigoChoice, about one-third of whom did not have coverage before enrolling.”

The point is, that 2/3 of the 11,100 DID have coverage before enrolling. Paid for by someone other than the government. Now they are funded by the government. How do you suppose their insurance was funded prior to this program? The fact that it is provided by Anthem has nothing to do with the source of the funds.

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12121 Catron Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:13:42 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12121 drmatt, I see you are still impervious to objective data. drmatt, I see you are still impervious to objective data.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12118 drmatt Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:12:51 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/12/10/maine-covering-three-for-the-price-of-nine/#comment-12118 Maybe you should actually read the study, the plan was not just to insure the uninsured but to provide also for the "underinsured". I read no where in the study where 2/3 dropeed private insurance? in fact the "affordable" insurance in this program is provided through Anthem. finally the data is fro Sept 2006, give me a break will yoiu? Maybe you should actually read the study, the plan was not just to insure the uninsured but to provide also for the “underinsured”. I read no where in the study where 2/3 dropeed private insurance? in fact the “affordable” insurance in this program is provided through Anthem. finally the data is fro Sept 2006, give me a break will yoiu?

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