Comments on: PATIENT “RIGHTS” AT THE NHS http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:42:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15300 Marc Brown Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:57:56 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15300 'Why, yes, a surgeon can, and has, done a liver transplant for an alcoholic. Re: 1995/Mickey Mantle. Add to that David Crosby (CSN&Y) and Jim Nabors.' You're taking about private medicine - anyone in the UK can go privately if they have the cash. 'That’s why you have income tax rates of 70+%' The basic income tax rate in the UK is currently 22% and the NHS is a far more cost effective health service than America's. ‘Why, yes, a surgeon can, and has, done a liver transplant for an alcoholic. Re: 1995/Mickey Mantle. Add to that David Crosby (CSN&Y) and Jim Nabors.’

You’re taking about private medicine - anyone in the UK can go privately if they have the cash.

‘That’s why you have income tax rates of 70+%’

The basic income tax rate in the UK is currently 22% and the NHS is a far more cost effective health service than America’s.

]]> By: BobMan http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15296 BobMan Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:24:44 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15296 Dear Marc, Why, yes, a surgeon can, and has, done a liver transplant for an alcoholic. Re: 1995/Mickey Mantle. Add to that David Crosby (CSN&Y) and Jim Nabors. See: http://www.medicalnewsreport.com/med9507.htm "You got the money, honey, the surgeon has the time and organ(s)." (bad alliteration from the lyrics....sorry) As for self medical help, why, I thought that total, as in every last thing, medical care was the PURPOSE of the NHS. Take care of yourself? Rubbish. That's why you have income tax rates of 70+% to PAY for "total" care. The Brits are being robbed blind by their masters and there is bloody well nothing they can do about it. Dear Marc,

Why, yes, a surgeon can, and has, done a liver transplant for an alcoholic. Re: 1995/Mickey Mantle. Add to that David Crosby (CSN&Y) and Jim Nabors.
See:
http://www.medicalnewsreport.com/med9507.htm

“You got the money, honey, the surgeon has the time and organ(s).” (bad alliteration from the lyrics….sorry)

As for self medical help, why, I thought that total, as in every last thing, medical care was the PURPOSE of the NHS. Take care of yourself? Rubbish. That’s why you have income tax rates of 70+% to PAY for “total” care.

The Brits are being robbed blind by their masters and there is bloody well nothing they can do about it.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15282 drmatt Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:19:14 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15282 Actually, in this country you can't get on the liver transplant list if you are an active alcoholic, though you continue to pay taxes for medicare/medicaide. In my communtiy the surgeons flat out refuse to do vascular bypasses on people who continue to smoke, but taxes and premiums remain the same. Rights without responsibilities are not rights. Actually, in this country you can’t get on the liver transplant list if you are an active alcoholic, though you continue to pay taxes for medicare/medicaide. In my communtiy the surgeons flat out refuse to do vascular bypasses on people who continue to smoke, but taxes and premiums remain the same. Rights without responsibilities are not rights.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15266 Marc Brown Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:26:05 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/03/patient-rights-at-the-nhs/#comment-15266 Of course no one in the US is ever refused cover for re-existing conditions, or charged a lot more if they smoke or are obese... Once again you're falling for spin from the UK's right wing press. This is nothing more than formalising what happens in practice - do you honestly believe a surgeon should carry out a liver transplant on an alcoholic who intends to carry on drinking? And the other point you continue to avoid is that the NHS is public property - and if the public don't like the way it is being developed they can vote the present government out. All the indications are that a great majority support the idea of more personal responsibility. As for the last point about 'selfcare' - this is simply about monitoring yourself more, as many already do, such as diabetics and people with asthma (and have you ever heard of inhalers?), and making more use of technology, allowing people to stay at home rather than having to travel. It's a no brainer. Of course no one in the US is ever refused cover for re-existing conditions, or charged a lot more if they smoke or are obese… Once again you’re falling for spin from the UK’s right wing press. This is nothing more than formalising what happens in practice - do you honestly believe a surgeon should carry out a liver transplant on an alcoholic who intends to carry on drinking?

And the other point you continue to avoid is that the NHS is public property - and if the public don’t like the way it is being developed they can vote the present government out. All the indications are that a great majority support the idea of more personal responsibility.

As for the last point about ’selfcare’ - this is simply about monitoring yourself more, as many already do, such as diabetics and people with asthma (and have you ever heard of inhalers?), and making more use of technology, allowing people to stay at home rather than having to travel. It’s a no brainer.

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