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	<title>Comments on: CANADIANS LOOK TO U.S. FOR I.C.U. BEDS</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-441040</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the PieMan, I have seen Canadian health care, and it is YOU who know not of what you speak.  
Yes, the Legal-medicine blog you linked noted an average 30 minute ER wait time, but that is compared to nearly 21 hours in Quebec (http://sigmundcarlandalfred.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-waiting-game-er-wait-times-in-canada-vs-us/)

And, the ABC news report you cited is from Martin Luther King hospital in LA, a notorious event that lead to its' long overdue closure in 2007.  However, what you fail to note is that MLK is the epitomy of what the Obamacare would create.  It was a County run hospital, staffed with government union employees.  Compared to Cedars, UCLA or Century City hospital is was considered a killing ground for decades since I completed my training in the area back in 1985.  The poor performance of MLK should serve as a cautionary tale to you and other advocates, who seem to know so much yet in fact know so little.  Talk to a doctor sometime rather than relying on Oberman to give you your opinions.  One of us would tell you very quickly that Government controlled medicine, even in the US (think County Hospitals, the VA), is substandard, outmoded, inefficient and loaded with bureaucracy.  Stories like this abound in facilities which represent exactly what Obama envisions for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the PieMan, I have seen Canadian health care, and it is YOU who know not of what you speak.<br />
Yes, the Legal-medicine blog you linked noted an average 30 minute ER wait time, but that is compared to nearly 21 hours in Quebec (http://sigmundcarlandalfred.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-waiting-game-er-wait-times-in-canada-vs-us/)</p>
<p>And, the ABC news report you cited is from Martin Luther King hospital in LA, a notorious event that lead to its&#8217; long overdue closure in 2007.  However, what you fail to note is that MLK is the epitomy of what the Obamacare would create.  It was a County run hospital, staffed with government union employees.  Compared to Cedars, UCLA or Century City hospital is was considered a killing ground for decades since I completed my training in the area back in 1985.  The poor performance of MLK should serve as a cautionary tale to you and other advocates, who seem to know so much yet in fact know so little.  Talk to a doctor sometime rather than relying on Oberman to give you your opinions.  One of us would tell you very quickly that Government controlled medicine, even in the US (think County Hospitals, the VA), is substandard, outmoded, inefficient and loaded with bureaucracy.  Stories like this abound in facilities which represent exactly what Obama envisions for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: PieMan</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-36956</link>
		<dc:creator>PieMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-36956</guid>
		<description>Get a grip people.  Do you think that people aren't waiting and dying in emerg rooms in the U.S. because there are no beds available?  My quick search came up with these examples in 1 minute.  Get off your high horse.  And to smartdoc, calling the Canadian system a "hell hole" is funny.  YOu've probably never set foot in a Canadian hospital.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3322309&#38;page=1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/
http://legalmedicine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wait-times-getting-longer-in-emergency.html
After reading these stories, I'll keep our hell hole, thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a grip people.  Do you think that people aren&#8217;t waiting and dying in emerg rooms in the U.S. because there are no beds available?  My quick search came up with these examples in 1 minute.  Get off your high horse.  And to smartdoc, calling the Canadian system a &#8220;hell hole&#8221; is funny.  YOu&#8217;ve probably never set foot in a Canadian hospital.<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3322309&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3322309&amp;page=1</a><br />
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/</a><br />
<a href="http://legalmedicine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wait-times-getting-longer-in-emergency.html" rel="nofollow">http://legalmedicine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wait-times-getting-longer-in-emergency.html</a><br />
After reading these stories, I&#8217;ll keep our hell hole, thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Covert Rationing Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Canadians and Other More Advanced Civilizations Should Root Against U.S. Healthcare Reform</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-19837</link>
		<dc:creator>The Covert Rationing Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Canadians and Other More Advanced Civilizations Should Root Against U.S. Healthcare Reform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-19837</guid>
		<description>[...] Canadian healthcare system to avoid making capital investments it finds inconvenient. For instance, Catron points us to an article in the Globe and Mail (Toronto) entitled &#8220;Critically Ill Patients [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Canadian healthcare system to avoid making capital investments it finds inconvenient. For instance, Catron points us to an article in the Globe and Mail (Toronto) entitled &#8220;Critically Ill Patients [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: smartdoc</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-19350</link>
		<dc:creator>smartdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-19350</guid>
		<description>Many of these poor souls, near dead to begin with, probably didn’t survive being transported 100 miles to the US.

But at least they had a chance.

At least they were not left to die like dogs in the street in the medical hellhole of Canada.

And speaking of hell, these is a special place in aforementioned nether region for the truly despicable, dishonest Michael Moore and the US demcrat party leadership propagandizing for Canada’s nightmarish plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of these poor souls, near dead to begin with, probably didn’t survive being transported 100 miles to the US.</p>
<p>But at least they had a chance.</p>
<p>At least they were not left to die like dogs in the street in the medical hellhole of Canada.</p>
<p>And speaking of hell, these is a special place in aforementioned nether region for the truly despicable, dishonest Michael Moore and the US demcrat party leadership propagandizing for Canada’s nightmarish plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurse K</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-19323</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/01/20/canadians-look-to-us-for-icu-beds/#comment-19323</guid>
		<description>But the people in Canada, well Ontario anyway, are equally as unable to get ICU beds.  They have equal access to ICU beds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the people in Canada, well Ontario anyway, are equally as unable to get ICU beds.  They have equal access to ICU beds.</p>
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