Comments on: THE NHS STRIKES AGAIN http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:52:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45840 drmatt Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:49:39 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45840 "Before American voters embrace either Hillary Clinton’s universal-health scheme or Barack Obama’s single-payer proposal, they should consider the avoidable deaths that plague the mother of all state-run medical programs" I see where he is comming from, my point is that the numbers in britain would be an improvement over ours, It is weird, do you look at any improvement over what you currently have and say, "boy, we shouldnt do it that way" ????? READY, FIRE, AIM “Before American voters embrace either Hillary Clinton’s universal-health scheme or Barack Obama’s single-payer proposal, they should consider the avoidable deaths that plague the mother of all state-run medical programs”
I see where he is comming from, my point is that the numbers in britain would be an improvement over ours, It is weird, do you look at any improvement over what you currently have and say, “boy, we shouldnt do it that way” ?????

READY, FIRE, AIM

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45827 Catron Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:15:07 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45827 "I guess we shouldnt bother to try to improve on that." We should indeed try to improve on the performance of U.S. health care. The point of the article, though, was to show that the NHS is doing poorly compared with other European nations that have been experimenting with market-based reforms. Thus, the way to improve our system would be to reduce government meddling in the health care and insurance sectors of our economy. I think that's what Murdock is getting at. “I guess we shouldnt bother to try to improve on that.”

We should indeed try to improve on the performance of U.S. health care.

The point of the article, though, was to show that the NHS is doing poorly compared with other European nations that have been experimenting with market-based reforms. Thus, the way to improve our system would be to reduce government meddling in the health care and insurance sectors of our economy.

I think that’s what Murdock is getting at.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45821 drmatt Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:52:18 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45821 Strange they didn't include the US in the piece.......oh, that is because it would undermine thier premise, the US though spending twice as much per person came up to 110, wow, I guess we shouldnt bother to try to improve on that. Strange they didn’t include the US in the piece…….oh, that is because it would undermine thier premise, the US though spending twice as much per person came up to 110, wow, I guess we shouldnt bother to try to improve on that.

]]> By: Ian Furst http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45434 Ian Furst Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:06:48 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45434 For a comparision I'd suggest that people look to ICES http://www.ices.on.ca webpage. It has extensive data for Ontario, Canada. It covers mortality, wait times, etc.... and is arm-length removed from the government. I've worked with one of the statistician's there and they have a huge brain-trust with data that is well organized. <a href="http://www.waittimes.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Wait Times Blog</a> For a comparision I’d suggest that people look to ICES http://www.ices.on.ca webpage. It has extensive data for Ontario, Canada. It covers mortality, wait times, etc…. and is arm-length removed from the government. I’ve worked with one of the statistician’s there and they have a huge brain-trust with data that is well organized. Wait Times Blog

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45339 Marc Brown Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:18:59 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/02/24/the-nhs-strikes-again/#comment-45339 That data is out of date. The latest Commonwealth Fund amenable mortality data puts the UK rate at 103, still behind the others but of course ahead of the worst performer of all - the US. It is hardly surprising that countries with worse inequality, such as the UK, have worse rates, and that the most unequal country has the worst rate of all. That data is out of date. The latest Commonwealth Fund amenable mortality data puts the UK rate at 103, still behind the others but of course ahead of the worst performer of all - the US. It is hardly surprising that countries with worse inequality, such as the UK, have worse rates, and that the most unequal country has the worst rate of all.

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