Comments on: CANADIAN CARDIAC PATIENTS RUSHING TO U.S. http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:37:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-53159 Catron Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:08:45 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-53159 "What makes this different?" The difference is that Dr. S was responding to your ad hominem shots, which included words like “hypocrisy” and “moron.” It also included the following phrase: “I am personally ashamed to have the same number of paired chromosomes as you.” If I hadn’t been too busy yesterday to read your original comment carefully, I would have deleted that as well. “What makes this different?”

The difference is that Dr. S was responding to your ad hominem shots, which included words like “hypocrisy” and “moron.” It also included the following phrase: “I am personally ashamed to have the same number of paired chromosomes as you.”

If I hadn’t been too busy yesterday to read your original comment carefully, I would have deleted that as well.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-53125 drmatt Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:11:48 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-53125 David, what makes this different? "Not that you have even the slightest capacity for rational thought or personal insight" I dont mind being censured if is going to be done justly, but one sided censurship? David, what makes this different?
“Not that you have even the slightest capacity for rational thought or personal insight”
I dont mind being censured if is going to be done justly, but one sided censurship?

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-53117 Catron Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:07:06 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-53117 Drmatt, I deleted your latest comment on this post because it contains more ad hominem cheap shots. Gotta get that under control, dude! Drmatt, I deleted your latest comment on this post because it contains more ad hominem cheap shots. Gotta get that under control, dude!

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-52316 Catron Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:23:35 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-52316 "You are one puppy who didn’t get all its shots." LOL. Great line Dr. S. “You are one puppy who didn’t get all its shots.”

LOL. Great line Dr. S.

]]> By: Rich http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-52028 Rich Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:32:40 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-52028 Wow, drmatt! I do not know the facts here, but I would like to know if it is common practice for Canadian hospitals to send patients to the nearest cardiac-capable hospital, or is it the nearest _Canadian_ cardiac-capable hospital? There must be a mandate in the Canadian provinces for this, I think we should know what it is. This is a question that needs to be answered, IMHO, before you skewer our colleague. Wow, drmatt!

I do not know the facts here, but I would like to know if it is common practice for Canadian hospitals to send patients to the nearest cardiac-capable hospital, or is it the nearest _Canadian_ cardiac-capable hospital? There must be a mandate in the Canadian provinces for this, I think we should know what it is.

This is a question that needs to be answered, IMHO, before you skewer our colleague.

]]> By: Ed Sodaro MD http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-52011 Ed Sodaro MD Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:06:23 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-52011 Nice ad hominum raving, incoherent gibberish there, "dr matt." The Canadians are being sent south in large numbers, genius. Americans are not being sent north. Not that you have even the slightest capacity for rational thought or personal insight. Or a sense of humor. You are one puppy who didn't get all its shots. Nice ad hominum raving, incoherent gibberish there, “dr matt.”

The Canadians are being sent south in large numbers, genius. Americans are not being sent north.

Not that you have even the slightest capacity for rational thought or personal insight. Or a sense of humor. You are one puppy who didn’t get all its shots.

]]> By: drmatt http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-51892 drmatt Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:00:11 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-51892 Dr. Sodaro, shame on you, you know as well as anybody that when a cardiac patient arrives at a hospital that doesnt do stents, they are shipped to the CLOSEST hospital that does, it has nothing to do with technology or the choice of health care systems, give me a break. The depth of hipocracy is stunning, earlier on this blog you and your free market moron buddies hammered the WHO stats and the people who use them, then you take a joke of a story like this and spin it to represent what you believe???? very sad, I am personally ashamed to have the same number of paired chromosomes as you. Dr. Sodaro, shame on you, you know as well as anybody that when a cardiac patient arrives at a hospital that doesnt do stents, they are shipped to the CLOSEST hospital that does, it has nothing to do with technology or the choice of health care systems, give me a break. The depth of hipocracy is stunning, earlier on this blog you and your free market moron buddies hammered the WHO stats and the people who use them, then you take a joke of a story like this and spin it to represent what you believe???? very sad, I am personally ashamed to have the same number of paired chromosomes as you.

]]> By: Ed Sodaro MD http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-50850 Ed Sodaro MD Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:47:45 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-50850 Most Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. The most cost-effective and life span-enhancing plan for Canada appears to be in setting up a more efficient transportation infra-structure to get complex sick patients over the border and into the United States: more multi-lane freeways, high speed rail lines, helicopter paths, all heading south! The Provincial Health Plans can specialize on doing what they do best: exploiting resentful, passive-aggressive primary care doctors and stealing pharmaceutical patents. Leave all that high tech stuff to the Americans! Most Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. The most cost-effective and life span-enhancing plan for Canada appears to be in setting up a more efficient transportation infra-structure to get complex sick patients over the border and into the United States: more multi-lane freeways, high speed rail lines, helicopter paths, all heading south!

The Provincial Health Plans can specialize on doing what they do best: exploiting resentful, passive-aggressive primary care doctors and stealing pharmaceutical patents.

Leave all that high tech stuff to the Americans!

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-50837 Marc Brown Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:23:10 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/01/canadian-cardiac-patients-rushing-to-us/#comment-50837 Hmmm - so the Canadians are sensibly making use of nearby facilities and getting the job done for patients, who of course do not have to pay. Meanwhile of course many thousands of Americans travel abroad for affordable care. For example: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-02-health-overseas_x.htm Greg Goodell flew from Iowa to India to have his arteries unclogged. Rick Thues made the trip from California for a new hip. John Terhune ventured from Indiana for a hip-and-knee combo. Combined, all three saved about $140,000, including the cost of travel and hotels, by having their surgeries last month in New Delhi instead of America — where the health care system had simply failed them. All in their 50s and fully employed, these men are among the estimated 500,000 Americans who are taking their health into their own hands by choosing medical care abroad. Many are stuck in a growing gap of uninsured or underinsured who are too young for Medicare and left with only losing health care options: siphoning their retirement, living in pain or possibly dying. "Our share of the American dream has been lost in the past five years," said Thues, 53, a computer consultant from Orange, Calif. "Look at what we've outsourced — I'm even outsourcing my own health for God sakes." Hmmm - so the Canadians are sensibly making use of nearby facilities and getting the job done for patients, who of course do not have to pay. Meanwhile of course many thousands of Americans travel abroad for affordable care. For example:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-02-health-overseas_x.htm

Greg Goodell flew from Iowa to India to have his arteries unclogged. Rick Thues made the trip from California for a new hip. John Terhune ventured from Indiana for a hip-and-knee combo.

Combined, all three saved about $140,000, including the cost of travel and hotels, by having their surgeries last month in New Delhi instead of America — where the health care system had simply failed them.

All in their 50s and fully employed, these men are among the estimated 500,000 Americans who are taking their health into their own hands by choosing medical care abroad. Many are stuck in a growing gap of uninsured or underinsured who are too young for Medicare and left with only losing health care options: siphoning their retirement, living in pain or possibly dying.

“Our share of the American dream has been lost in the past five years,” said Thues, 53, a computer consultant from Orange, Calif. “Look at what we’ve outsourced — I’m even outsourcing my own health for God sakes.”

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