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	<title>Comments on: THE FREE MARKET TRIUMPHS YET AGAIN</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nurse K</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65212</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65212</guid>
		<description>While I'm 1-million percent free market, I just want to mention that $4 is a price many can afford for something that they [probably but not always] need.  

If a screening colonoscopy was $100 or $200 for instance instead of the more typical $500-$1000, many of these people still wouldn't get it.  

I'm not sure what it would take for people to stop spending money on ciggies and whiskey and, instead, save up for health needs, but I'm just sayin'...

Also, there is no "get 'em in the door" factor for non-retail clinics to REALLY drive the prices down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m 1-million percent free market, I just want to mention that $4 is a price many can afford for something that they [probably but not always] need.  </p>
<p>If a screening colonoscopy was $100 or $200 for instance instead of the more typical $500-$1000, many of these people still wouldn&#8217;t get it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what it would take for people to stop spending money on ciggies and whiskey and, instead, save up for health needs, but I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, there is no &#8220;get &#8216;em in the door&#8221; factor for non-retail clinics to REALLY drive the prices down.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65145</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wal-Mart is on the record as saying they are not loss leaders, and generic drugs of course take away profit from the primary brand makers. I'm not arguing against cheap drugs - quite the reverse - but it doesn't square with support for a system that aims to extract maximum profit throughout the value chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wal-Mart is on the record as saying they are not loss leaders, and generic drugs of course take away profit from the primary brand makers. I&#8217;m not arguing against cheap drugs - quite the reverse - but it doesn&#8217;t square with support for a system that aims to extract maximum profit throughout the value chain.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65055</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65055</guid>
		<description>I think Marc is very confused about this. catron has it right.

1. They are _GENERIC_ drugs, and 
2. They are selling them at a loss (as a loss leader). 

As a result, the suppliers have not been forced, or coerced into providing the goods at an unsustainable price, nor have the manufacturers. It is NOT likely that the government can a) purchase the drugs for less than what WalMart sells them for, or b) will supply them at a loss.

It is the free market: WalMart acknowleging that getting customers in the door is worth whatever profit margin they may have collected on these drugs, and taking advantage of the situation. This is to the mutual benfit of both parties (Wal-Mart and it's customer) - which is the driving force in a free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Marc is very confused about this. catron has it right.</p>
<p>1. They are _GENERIC_ drugs, and<br />
2. They are selling them at a loss (as a loss leader). </p>
<p>As a result, the suppliers have not been forced, or coerced into providing the goods at an unsustainable price, nor have the manufacturers. It is NOT likely that the government can a) purchase the drugs for less than what WalMart sells them for, or b) will supply them at a loss.</p>
<p>It is the free market: WalMart acknowleging that getting customers in the door is worth whatever profit margin they may have collected on these drugs, and taking advantage of the situation. This is to the mutual benfit of both parties (Wal-Mart and it&#8217;s customer) - which is the driving force in a free market.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65042</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/17/the-free-market-triumphs-yet-again/#comment-65042</guid>
		<description>I think you're very confused about this. I thought you were against massive cheap drug supply and importation because it undermines your R&#38;D base. Also, government systems - because of their huge spending power - can buy drugs much more cheaply, and where the drug companies have set rip off prices there have been successful challenges that have recouped vast sums - eg from Roche by the UK NHS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re very confused about this. I thought you were against massive cheap drug supply and importation because it undermines your R&amp;D base. Also, government systems - because of their huge spending power - can buy drugs much more cheaply, and where the drug companies have set rip off prices there have been successful challenges that have recouped vast sums - eg from Roche by the UK NHS.</p>
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