Comments on: CHARITY: CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:05:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Joe C. http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-78343 Joe C. Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:09:27 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-78343 Marc, You got me. We're doomed. I guess I'll quit my job and start hopping trains. :) Marc,

You got me. We’re doomed. I guess I’ll quit my job and start hopping trains. :)

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77561 Marc Brown Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:30 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77561 There are two key points. The first is that there is a lot of suffering in the US, the scale of which per head we don't see in more equal societies such as Sweden or Denmark. The number on food stamps is heading for a record since the program was introduced in the 1960s. The second is that the nature of the present economic troubles is rather different from before. Not only is the US going bankrupt and running a huge deficit, but as this article from Fortune notes: 'How is this slowdown different from other slowdowns? Normally the economy goes bad first, creating financial problems. In this slowdown the markets are dragging down the economy - a crucial distinction, because markets are harder to fix than the economy.' http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/28/news/economy/disaster_sloan.fortune/?postversion=2008033103 There are two key points. The first is that there is a lot of suffering in the US, the scale of which per head we don’t see in more equal societies such as Sweden or Denmark. The number on food stamps is heading for a record since the program was introduced in the 1960s.

The second is that the nature of the present economic troubles is rather different from before. Not only is the US going bankrupt and running a huge deficit, but as this article from Fortune notes:

‘How is this slowdown different from other slowdowns? Normally the economy goes bad first, creating financial problems. In this slowdown the markets are dragging down the economy - a crucial distinction, because markets are harder to fix than the economy.’

http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/28/news/economy/disaster_sloan.fortune/?postversion=2008033103

]]> By: Joe C. http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77536 Joe C. Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:12:18 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77536 Marc, I'm not sure what your point is. It's ironic that you criticize the US for being a welfare state when you're a principal avatar of the same. My point is simple: Exaggerating the magnitude of the situation is useless. You strain your credibility when you throw out phrases like "drawing lots to see if they live or die". Everyone knows that the dollar is junk right now. However, nobody knows how this is going to play out. If this were the 1980s, you would be saying that Japan was going to overtake the US economically. And we all know how that one worked out. Marc,

I’m not sure what your point is. It’s ironic that you criticize the US for being a welfare state when you’re a principal avatar of the same.

My point is simple: Exaggerating the magnitude of the situation is useless. You strain your credibility when you throw out phrases like “drawing lots to see if they live or die”.

Everyone knows that the dollar is junk right now. However, nobody knows how this is going to play out. If this were the 1980s, you would be saying that Japan was going to overtake the US economically. And we all know how that one worked out.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77509 Marc Brown Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:11:34 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77509 Sorry, but the sight of millions in the world's supposedly most advanced economy depending on food stamps and drawing lots to see if they live or die is not the hallmark of a decent modern civilisation. As for the dollar, the euro is undoubtedly gaining on it - unless you know different. Sorry, but the sight of millions in the world’s supposedly most advanced economy depending on food stamps and drawing lots to see if they live or die is not the hallmark of a decent modern civilisation. As for the dollar, the euro is undoubtedly gaining on it - unless you know different.

]]> By: Joe C. http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77493 Joe C. Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:50:43 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77493 Marc, Nobody said that times were great. The point was we had worse times in the 1970s and actually the economy immediately post-9/11 was worse as well. As for the issues surrounding currency, nobody, your arrogant self included, can predict the future. If you could, you'd be one of the wealthiest people alive and certainly wouldn't be wasting your time posting here. Marc,

Nobody said that times were great. The point was we had worse times in the 1970s and actually the economy immediately post-9/11 was worse as well.

As for the issues surrounding currency, nobody, your arrogant self included, can predict the future. If you could, you’d be one of the wealthiest people alive and certainly wouldn’t be wasting your time posting here.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77195 Marc Brown Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:53:15 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-77195 One on 10 people in Ohio are on food stamps, and only 40% of those eligible apply. Oregon is now running a lottery to see who can have healthcare - for a small minority of those in need. The dollar will almost certainly be usurped by the euro has the world's reference currency in a few years. It's not looking good for you. One on 10 people in Ohio are on food stamps, and only 40% of those eligible apply. Oregon is now running a lottery to see who can have healthcare - for a small minority of those in need. The dollar will almost certainly be usurped by the euro has the world’s reference currency in a few years. It’s not looking good for you.

]]> By: Joe C. http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76544 Joe C. Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:24:34 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76544 "The economy hasn’t been in this poor of shape since WWII." Patently false. Look up "stagflation". You lend yourself little credibility when you post obvious falsehoods like that. “The economy hasn’t been in this poor of shape since WWII.”

Patently false. Look up “stagflation”. You lend yourself little credibility when you post obvious falsehoods like that.

]]> By: SmartDoc http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76540 SmartDoc Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:40:03 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76540 This study of generosity (one of many) shows that for conservatives, every day is Christmas. For liberals, every day is April 15th. This study of generosity (one of many) shows that for conservatives, every day is Christmas.

For liberals, every day is April 15th.

]]> By: Micheal http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76538 Micheal Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:37:34 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76538 Open your eyes. The economy hasn't been in this poor of shape since WWII. Yes, please, let's find another conservative to trash the country and spend our money in a "war to find Bin Laden". While we're at it...I think we could definitely solve the greatest budget deficit in history by cutting taxes. You can sit on your high horse and preach about dumb liberals who spend your money helping the poor, but I'd love to hear the alternative. Should we just let them die from poor health or just kill them straight off at birth? I'd explain the argument for universal healthcare, but what's the point.... congrats on a super job running the country for the past 8 years. Open your eyes. The economy hasn’t been in this poor of shape since WWII. Yes, please, let’s find another conservative to trash the country and spend our money in a “war to find Bin Laden”. While we’re at it…I think we could definitely solve the greatest budget deficit in history by cutting taxes.

You can sit on your high horse and preach about dumb liberals who spend your money helping the poor, but I’d love to hear the alternative. Should we just let them die from poor health or just kill them straight off at birth? I’d explain the argument for universal healthcare, but what’s the point…. congrats on a super job running the country for the past 8 years.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76529 Marc Brown Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:38:23 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/03/28/charity-conservatives-vs-liberals/#comment-76529 What happened with the grass isn't greener item? I emailed it to you as well. What happened with the grass isn’t greener item? I emailed it to you as well.

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