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	<title>Comments on: ER CONSPIRACY THEORIES</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rogue medic</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-263225</link>
		<dc:creator>rogue medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-263225</guid>
		<description>Sarah W,

Nobody wrote that they are "perfectly excluded." They do not have a bearing on the disposition of ED patients. Much more likely to affect your care is the way you treat the ED staff. Occasionally a VIP will come in and administrators will ask for special treatment, but this is usually accomplished by making them feel special. It is not accomplished by kicking some uninsured sick person out on the street.

You comment that the medical blogs prove otherwise is contradicted by all of the comments from the medical bloggers posted before your comment. Perhaps you read something between the lines, that is not written between the lines.

Conspiracy theories are the way uninformed people deal with uncertainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah W,</p>
<p>Nobody wrote that they are &#8220;perfectly excluded.&#8221; They do not have a bearing on the disposition of ED patients. Much more likely to affect your care is the way you treat the ED staff. Occasionally a VIP will come in and administrators will ask for special treatment, but this is usually accomplished by making them feel special. It is not accomplished by kicking some uninsured sick person out on the street.</p>
<p>You comment that the medical blogs prove otherwise is contradicted by all of the comments from the medical bloggers posted before your comment. Perhaps you read something between the lines, that is not written between the lines.</p>
<p>Conspiracy theories are the way uninformed people deal with uncertainty.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Medicine &#187; Do CEOs respond to incentives: the shocking, shocking truth.</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256954</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Medicine &#187; Do CEOs respond to incentives: the shocking, shocking truth.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256954</guid>
		<description>[...] have, apparently, had a comment (innocuous, I thought) deleted at Catron&#8217;s site. He&#8217;s up in arms over a piece in Slate by Jesse Pines and Zach Meisel* that suggests [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] have, apparently, had a comment (innocuous, I thought) deleted at Catron&#8217;s site. He&#8217;s up in arms over a piece in Slate by Jesse Pines and Zach Meisel* that suggests [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Waiting Doom&#8221; Hogwash &#171; WhiteCoat Rants</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256893</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Waiting Doom&#8221; Hogwash &#171; WhiteCoat Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256893</guid>
		<description>[...] broke the news about the same thing on Thursday. Kim at Emergiblog and David Catron at Health Care BS have already posted excellent rants on the topic. Now it&#8217;s my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] broke the news about the same thing on Thursday. Kim at Emergiblog and David Catron at Health Care BS have already posted excellent rants on the topic. Now it&#8217;s my [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah W</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256612</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256612</guid>
		<description>" Money or status have no bearing on how you are treated."

This is flatly false.  Granting that a patients status or pocketbook or insurance coverage may not always affect every patient, nor will every treating physician consider status or money,  money and status are not perfectly excluded and it is laughable to argue that this is the general case.

One need only look as far as behind-the-scenes medical blogs,  and Medical news and opinion gathering blogs such as KevinMD to find distressing evidence on a daily basis that money and statue affect patient care, as they affect treatment in almost every other walk of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Money or status have no bearing on how you are treated.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is flatly false.  Granting that a patients status or pocketbook or insurance coverage may not always affect every patient, nor will every treating physician consider status or money,  money and status are not perfectly excluded and it is laughable to argue that this is the general case.</p>
<p>One need only look as far as behind-the-scenes medical blogs,  and Medical news and opinion gathering blogs such as KevinMD to find distressing evidence on a daily basis that money and statue affect patient care, as they affect treatment in almost every other walk of life.</p>
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		<title>By: GruntDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256225</link>
		<dc:creator>GruntDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-256225</guid>
		<description>I couldn't agree more.

Nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>Nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowfax</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255664</link>
		<dc:creator>shadowfax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255664</guid>
		<description>Amen and well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and well said.</p>
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		<title>By: ERMurse</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255648</link>
		<dc:creator>ERMurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255648</guid>
		<description>Hospitals holding beds while patients wait in the ED. Absurd - Yes but its common in my neck of the woods. Hospitals do hold beds that are untouchable to the ED. They do it for their capitated patients that need to be transfered in after landing in other facilities. They do it for beds contracted to other facilities for specialized services. They dont talk about it and in my experience the official line is that they do not hold beds but they do. I can remember my experience working for a large academic medical center in California watching direct admit after direct admit role in while we had patients in the ED holding for up to two days. I gave some specific examples in comments about this over at emergiblog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hospitals holding beds while patients wait in the ED. Absurd - Yes but its common in my neck of the woods. Hospitals do hold beds that are untouchable to the ED. They do it for their capitated patients that need to be transfered in after landing in other facilities. They do it for beds contracted to other facilities for specialized services. They dont talk about it and in my experience the official line is that they do not hold beds but they do. I can remember my experience working for a large academic medical center in California watching direct admit after direct admit role in while we had patients in the ED holding for up to two days. I gave some specific examples in comments about this over at emergiblog.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurse K</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255441</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255441</guid>
		<description>1) Sometimes edicts come down from above that the budget doesn't allow for overtime, so they don't staff the floors and we back up despite having physically open beds.  There is no such thing as "let's only give beds to the VIPs, white people, and insured" though.  

2) I've made famous/prominent people wait in the lobby.

3) Avoiding ambulance divert is a major goal for everyone dealing with numbers and finance because if the ER is full, we divert ambulances and lose something like $10,000/hour on average.  No one would in administration would be stupid enough to devise policies to intentionally cause an ambulance divert situation if nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Sometimes edicts come down from above that the budget doesn&#8217;t allow for overtime, so they don&#8217;t staff the floors and we back up despite having physically open beds.  There is no such thing as &#8220;let&#8217;s only give beds to the VIPs, white people, and insured&#8221; though.  </p>
<p>2) I&#8217;ve made famous/prominent people wait in the lobby.</p>
<p>3) Avoiding ambulance divert is a major goal for everyone dealing with numbers and finance because if the ER is full, we divert ambulances and lose something like $10,000/hour on average.  No one would in administration would be stupid enough to devise policies to intentionally cause an ambulance divert situation if nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: SmartDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255241</link>
		<dc:creator>SmartDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-255241</guid>
		<description>You nailed this "Health Care BS" beautifully!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed this &#8220;Health Care BS&#8221; beautifully!</p>
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		<title>By: healthcaretoday.com</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-254903</link>
		<dc:creator>healthcaretoday.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/07/25/er-conspiracy-theories/#comment-254903</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Health Care BS - ER CONSPIRACY THEORIES...&lt;/strong&gt;

As I have pointed out many times, a good deal of BS appears in the "news" media relating to health care. Few articles, however, reach the level of irresponsibility achieved yesterday in Slate....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Health Care BS - ER CONSPIRACY THEORIES&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As I have pointed out many times, a good deal of BS appears in the &#8220;news&#8221; media relating to health care. Few articles, however, reach the level of irresponsibility achieved yesterday in Slate&#8230;.</p>
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