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	<title>Comments on: DEBATE: BIDEN REPEATS LIE ABOUT MCCAIN&#8217;S HEALTH PLAN</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Horn</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331902</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331902</guid>
		<description>Regardless of the absolute crappiness of both candidate's health proposals, I was shocked to see that most people thought Biden won.  Anyone that knows his record and the issues could never have made that statement.  He did well, but win? No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the absolute crappiness of both candidate&#8217;s health proposals, I was shocked to see that most people thought Biden won.  Anyone that knows his record and the issues could never have made that statement.  He did well, but win? No.</p>
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		<title>By: Another liberal double-standard. Surprise! &#171; The Right Daily</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331866</link>
		<dc:creator>Another liberal double-standard. Surprise! &#171; The Right Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331866</guid>
		<description>[...] Health Care BS - DEBATE: BIDEN REPEATS LIE ABOUT MCCAIN’S HEALTH PLAN [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Health Care BS - DEBATE: BIDEN REPEATS LIE ABOUT MCCAIN’S HEALTH PLAN [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331777</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331777</guid>
		<description>"his plan would see a lot of people no longer covered under a group employer plan"

Wrong. You don't grasp why employers provide health care insurance. They do it because it is a way of buying labor at a cheaper rate than would be the case if they paid straight wages. 

The tax change would reduce that advantage a little, but the ability to buy insurance in large groups and give it to employees in lieu of wages will keep the employer-based system in place for those who need and want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;his plan would see a lot of people no longer covered under a group employer plan&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. You don&#8217;t grasp why employers provide health care insurance. They do it because it is a way of buying labor at a cheaper rate than would be the case if they paid straight wages. </p>
<p>The tax change would reduce that advantage a little, but the ability to buy insurance in large groups and give it to employees in lieu of wages will keep the employer-based system in place for those who need and want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331752</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331752</guid>
		<description>'The average family does not pay anywhere near $12,000 a year for health insurance. In reality, they pay only 28 percent of that amount. The average cost borne by employees is only $3,281.'

No, but if as projected his plan would see a lot of people no longer covered under a group employer plan, how do you see his tax credit and what people already pay buying an equivalent plan on the open market? And what is they have pre-existing conditions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The average family does not pay anywhere near $12,000 a year for health insurance. In reality, they pay only 28 percent of that amount. The average cost borne by employees is only $3,281.&#8217;</p>
<p>No, but if as projected his plan would see a lot of people no longer covered under a group employer plan, how do you see his tax credit and what people already pay buying an equivalent plan on the open market? And what is they have pre-existing conditions?</p>
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		<title>By: SARAH ROCKS! By Michelle Malkin &#124; Saint Sarah Palin</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331388</link>
		<dc:creator>SARAH ROCKS! By Michelle Malkin &#124; Saint Sarah Palin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331388</guid>
		<description>[...] Health Care BS - DEBATE: BIDEN REPEATS LIE ABOUT MCCAIN’S HEALTH PLAN [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331341</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331341</guid>
		<description>You're one of my all time faves, K, but you're wrong on this. He said precisely what I have quoted above.

Biden was obviously trying to create the false impression that McCain will raise everyone's taxes, boot everyone off of their employer-based plan, and force us to pay $12,000 a year for health insurance. At &lt;a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/09/19/more-bs-about-mccains-health-plan/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;, I explain in greater detail why that's a load of BS on several levels. 

Moreover, this Obama-Biden agitprop completely ignores the downward pressure a national insurance market and a repeal of benefit mandates (which McCain wants) would put on premiums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re one of my all time faves, K, but you&#8217;re wrong on this. He said precisely what I have quoted above.</p>
<p>Biden was obviously trying to create the false impression that McCain will raise everyone&#8217;s taxes, boot everyone off of their employer-based plan, and force us to pay $12,000 a year for health insurance. At <a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/09/19/more-bs-about-mccains-health-plan/" rel="nofollow">this link</a>, I explain in greater detail why that&#8217;s a load of BS on several levels. </p>
<p>Moreover, this Obama-Biden agitprop completely ignores the downward pressure a national insurance market and a repeal of benefit mandates (which McCain wants) would put on premiums.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurse K</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331336</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/02/debate-biden-repeats-lie-about-mccains-health-plan/#comment-331336</guid>
		<description>I watched the debate and I think Biden actually said that the average employer-based policy costs $12,000/year (obviously some is paid by the employer and some by the employee).  He was saying that if you are dropped from your insurance plan, you will get a $5000 tax credit, but will have to pay the full price of the insurance ($12,000) yourself.  Obviously, if you are dropped and are forced to pay for the insurance yourself (I dont' think many people will actually be dropped due to the tax on health benefits, but, conceivably, benefits could be cut slightly), the McCain plan sucksass for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the debate and I think Biden actually said that the average employer-based policy costs $12,000/year (obviously some is paid by the employer and some by the employee).  He was saying that if you are dropped from your insurance plan, you will get a $5000 tax credit, but will have to pay the full price of the insurance ($12,000) yourself.  Obviously, if you are dropped and are forced to pay for the insurance yourself (I dont&#8217; think many people will actually be dropped due to the tax on health benefits, but, conceivably, benefits could be cut slightly), the McCain plan sucksass for you.</p>
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