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	<title>Comments on: TROOPERGATE: OCTOBER SURPRISE DELIVERED AS PROMISED</title>
	<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/</link>
	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Horn</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-346404</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-346404</guid>
		<description>Yes, he is a well kept tool of the Chicago machine and it's leaders in the DNC.  If elected, you can see a move toward a parlimentary system, as he has neither the experience of the leadership ability to operate in the executive.  He will be the bust on top of the rubber stamp and that is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he is a well kept tool of the Chicago machine and it&#8217;s leaders in the DNC.  If elected, you can see a move toward a parlimentary system, as he has neither the experience of the leadership ability to operate in the executive.  He will be the bust on top of the rubber stamp and that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc B.</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-344010</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-344010</guid>
		<description>Dave B: 'I long for a â€œTony Blairâ€? type of president that has a command of the English language and can think quickly on his feet.'

Obama is far more like this than McCain. Don't forget that Obama is very bright - he was outstanding at Harvard law school - and he has delivery and presence that you haven't seen since Clinton, and I suppose Reagan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave B: &#8216;I long for a â€œTony Blairâ€? type of president that has a command of the English language and can think quickly on his feet.&#8217;</p>
<p>Obama is far more like this than McCain. Don&#8217;t forget that Obama is very bright - he was outstanding at Harvard law school - and he has delivery and presence that you haven&#8217;t seen since Clinton, and I suppose Reagan.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338281</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338281</guid>
		<description>Mark B: I can't argue about the debate.  Obama has a lot of people worried about his associates and his sudden rise to prominence in politics though. You're also right about the health care. That comes up every election and we're still in the same boat.  McCain is no statesman, that's for sure.  Let's see if he's too tired to be a fighter. I long for a "Tony Blair" type of president that has a command of the English language and can think quickly on his feet.  He could articulate an argument and actually sway people.  All we have over here are politicians that can memorize campaign slogans, provide pithy soundbites, and say a lot of nothing about everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark B: I can&#8217;t argue about the debate.  Obama has a lot of people worried about his associates and his sudden rise to prominence in politics though. You&#8217;re also right about the health care. That comes up every election and we&#8217;re still in the same boat.  McCain is no statesman, that&#8217;s for sure.  Let&#8217;s see if he&#8217;s too tired to be a fighter. I long for a &#8220;Tony Blair&#8221; type of president that has a command of the English language and can think quickly on his feet.  He could articulate an argument and actually sway people.  All we have over here are politicians that can memorize campaign slogans, provide pithy soundbites, and say a lot of nothing about everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338266</guid>
		<description>Mediawatcher:  No I don't "got it."  She "abused" her power by NOT telling her husband NOT to do something?  There has to be an overt act by HER. Actually according to the reports she DID tell her husband to "drop it."  That's the point.  I'm a cop and the trooper doesn't get any sympathy from me. Believe me I've seen many like him come and go.  I can't fault the Commissioner though because if it's anything like the state where I'm from, he has to follow the rules of termination.  I do think, however, he didn't like to take orders so he went around the governor when he shouldn't have and she fired him for it.  That's what happens to political appointments and he should have known better.  The same rules set up to protect police officers from undo political pressure did not apply to him. That's why the trooper's still working and he's not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mediawatcher:  No I don&#8217;t &#8220;got it.&#8221;  She &#8220;abused&#8221; her power by NOT telling her husband NOT to do something?  There has to be an overt act by HER. Actually according to the reports she DID tell her husband to &#8220;drop it.&#8221;  That&#8217;s the point.  I&#8217;m a cop and the trooper doesn&#8217;t get any sympathy from me. Believe me I&#8217;ve seen many like him come and go.  I can&#8217;t fault the Commissioner though because if it&#8217;s anything like the state where I&#8217;m from, he has to follow the rules of termination.  I do think, however, he didn&#8217;t like to take orders so he went around the governor when he shouldn&#8217;t have and she fired him for it.  That&#8217;s what happens to political appointments and he should have known better.  The same rules set up to protect police officers from undo political pressure did not apply to him. That&#8217;s why the trooper&#8217;s still working and he&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338248</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338248</guid>
		<description>To poster #2, I too, felt that during several of his responses, McCain sounded like a tired old man, somewhat meandering in his logic.

But this debate was the first that i listened closely to Obama, and what I heard (or didn't hear) scared me.

Forget that I disagree with his politics, I'm an independent and tend to fall in the middle on social questions and to the right on fiscal questions.

Obama, to me, really truly sounded quite shallow in his knowledge and undertanding, especially at this stage of the game, on several key and familiar issues.  He also meandered, and made statements that to me showed how he was either quite ignorant of what ideas support the moderate positions he was taking, or was actually of just average intelligence and in over his head.

If he doesn't have the underlying ideas to support the moderate positions he is taking - is it because he isn't actually in full agreement with the positions he's taking on those issues?

So what does he truly believe?

I agree that it looks as though Obama may win, but after debate #2, I am very very disturbed about what may come of an Obama presidency.  He is going to be a tool of the very shrewd, very powerful, and very manipulative people in Washington.

This is not a fear I have of McCain - he may be older or tired, but he is his own man and won't be pushed around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To poster #2, I too, felt that during several of his responses, McCain sounded like a tired old man, somewhat meandering in his logic.</p>
<p>But this debate was the first that i listened closely to Obama, and what I heard (or didn&#8217;t hear) scared me.</p>
<p>Forget that I disagree with his politics, I&#8217;m an independent and tend to fall in the middle on social questions and to the right on fiscal questions.</p>
<p>Obama, to me, really truly sounded quite shallow in his knowledge and undertanding, especially at this stage of the game, on several key and familiar issues.  He also meandered, and made statements that to me showed how he was either quite ignorant of what ideas support the moderate positions he was taking, or was actually of just average intelligence and in over his head.</p>
<p>If he doesn&#8217;t have the underlying ideas to support the moderate positions he is taking - is it because he isn&#8217;t actually in full agreement with the positions he&#8217;s taking on those issues?</p>
<p>So what does he truly believe?</p>
<p>I agree that it looks as though Obama may win, but after debate #2, I am very very disturbed about what may come of an Obama presidency.  He is going to be a tool of the very shrewd, very powerful, and very manipulative people in Washington.</p>
<p>This is not a fear I have of McCain - he may be older or tired, but he is his own man and won&#8217;t be pushed around.</p>
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		<title>By: mediawatcher</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338218</link>
		<dc:creator>mediawatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338218</guid>
		<description>OK; try to follow:

She abused her power in applying significant undue pressure to Monegan to fire Wooten, including but not limited to having her husband, NOT a state employee last we checked, also apply pressure.  Monegan was following disciplinary procedure in the Wooten case; the Palins, with clear personal motivation, felt that wasn't sufficient.  THAT's the violation of the state ethics law.  Nothing to do with Monegan's firing.

Got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK; try to follow:</p>
<p>She abused her power in applying significant undue pressure to Monegan to fire Wooten, including but not limited to having her husband, NOT a state employee last we checked, also apply pressure.  Monegan was following disciplinary procedure in the Wooten case; the Palins, with clear personal motivation, felt that wasn&#8217;t sufficient.  THAT&#8217;s the violation of the state ethics law.  Nothing to do with Monegan&#8217;s firing.</p>
<p>Got it?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc B.</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338210</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-338210</guid>
		<description>Well, why did she remove Monegan? It doesn't matter though. David, I've just watched the last Obama-McCain debate here in the UK - really, I think in your heart you know that McCain is not a statesman who will lead your country with any presence. He looked old, shambling and defensive, and his utterances of 'my friends' were frankly embarrassing and grating. Given that healthcare reform from either candidate is unlikely to happen, I do think your country will be far better off with Obama - and he is obviously going to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, why did she remove Monegan? It doesn&#8217;t matter though. David, I&#8217;ve just watched the last Obama-McCain debate here in the UK - really, I think in your heart you know that McCain is not a statesman who will lead your country with any presence. He looked old, shambling and defensive, and his utterances of &#8216;my friends&#8217; were frankly embarrassing and grating. Given that healthcare reform from either candidate is unlikely to happen, I do think your country will be far better off with Obama - and he is obviously going to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-337836</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2008/10/11/troopergate-october-surprise-delivered-as-promised/#comment-337836</guid>
		<description>Let me get this straight.  Palin "abused" her power by NOT telling her husband NOT to do something?  WOW!  I've heard of stretches but that might take the cake.  I'm guessing most people realize that they had no recourse to find that she acted properly with regards to the public safety commissioner.  She could fire or re-assign the commissioner for any reason she wanted, he works at her pleasure.  Now for the "investigator's opinion" on the threats from the Trooper.  The guy's a beast, carries a gun, uses his gun improperly, drinks while carrying the gun, and tasers a little boy which shows an impulsive and dangerous tendency, makes a threat to kill his ex-wife and her elderly father.  Yeah I can see how he came to that conclusion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight.  Palin &#8220;abused&#8221; her power by NOT telling her husband NOT to do something?  WOW!  I&#8217;ve heard of stretches but that might take the cake.  I&#8217;m guessing most people realize that they had no recourse to find that she acted properly with regards to the public safety commissioner.  She could fire or re-assign the commissioner for any reason she wanted, he works at her pleasure.  Now for the &#8220;investigator&#8217;s opinion&#8221; on the threats from the Trooper.  The guy&#8217;s a beast, carries a gun, uses his gun improperly, drinks while carrying the gun, and tasers a little boy which shows an impulsive and dangerous tendency, makes a threat to kill his ex-wife and her elderly father.  Yeah I can see how he came to that conclusion!</p>
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