Comments on: HOW 1994 HAPPENED http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:27:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: trust us http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447787 trust us Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:18:53 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447787 Washington DC Teabagger Party consensus says: 75,000 attendees, tops. eh, 75,000 or 2,000,000, what’s the difference? New slogan: “Trrruuussst us, yeah, that’s the ticket! (with judgment like that, I’d be afraid of the government too) Washington DC Teabagger Party
consensus says: 75,000 attendees, tops.
eh, 75,000 or 2,000,000, what’s the difference?

New slogan: “Trrruuussst us, yeah, that’s the ticket!

(with judgment like that, I’d be afraid of the government too)

]]> By: Health Care BS - YES WE CAN … THROW YOU OUT http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447683 Health Care BS - YES WE CAN … THROW YOU OUT Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:07:20 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447683 [...] pressure and watch this grotesque combination of hubris and self-deception lead the Democrats to another 1994. As Dan Riehl puts it: Enjoy watching the Lefties as their morale continues to decline going [...] […] pressure and watch this grotesque combination of hubris and self-deception lead the Democrats to another 1994. As Dan Riehl puts it: Enjoy watching the Lefties as their morale continues to decline going […]

]]> By: Average Joe http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447665 Average Joe Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:04:46 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447665 I dunno. I feel like the ‘debate’ about health care is continually missing the most fundamental fact. Namely: the current healthcare system in the U.S. is already a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy of monumental proportions. It is already the nightmare that so many on the right claim a “government run” healthcare system would be. The difference between the current bureaucracy and a government bureaucracy is that at the very top of the current system is a profit-seeking managerial apparatus that, by its own admission, seeks ’shareholder value’ (and incidentally, its own enrichment) over optimal public-health outcomes. I dunno. I feel like the ‘debate’ about health care is continually missing the most fundamental fact. Namely: the current healthcare system in the U.S. is already a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy of monumental proportions. It is already the nightmare that so many on the right claim a “government run” healthcare system would be.

The difference between the current bureaucracy and a government bureaucracy is that at the very top of the current system is a profit-seeking managerial apparatus that, by its own admission, seeks ’shareholder value’ (and incidentally, its own enrichment) over optimal public-health outcomes.

]]> By: Tim Harris http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447660 Tim Harris Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:57:18 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447660 Sorry, please replace that 'Kidgeon' in my post with 'Wayne's Lack of Discernment'. Aplogies, Kidgeon. Sorry, please replace that ‘Kidgeon’ in my post with ‘Wayne’s Lack of Discernment’. Aplogies, Kidgeon.

]]> By: Wayne's Discernment http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447657 Wayne's Discernment Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:41:13 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447657 I did not say that the only people who stand for liberty opposed obamacare; But if it is correct to say that the "only" (see post 4) those who want Obamacare are concerned with health care then it would in fact be correct to say "only" those against obamacare support liberty. Continue on that same incorrect line of thinking and you will soon be channeling Jeremiah Wright. Only the brave should live in the US. as the US government has no nationalized food distribution system, no nationalized housing system, no nationalized system for clothing,, no nationalized system for water, no nationalized system ... (post 4 point is) nobody cares? Really If you are sick do you not get treatment today, If you are hungry would a church not give you food, If you are homeless can you not find a shelter? And one wonders why the first book in the bible is one that exposes a lie. I said "If you want to shut up those who stand for liberty all that is required is for you to bring with you 3 million anti-liberty protesters to DC and beat them at their own game." And I should add, liberty is what is on the minds of the 2 million who did show. I did not say that the only people who stand for liberty opposed obamacare; But if it is correct to say that the “only” (see post 4) those who want Obamacare are concerned with health care then it would in fact be correct to say “only” those against obamacare support liberty. Continue on that same incorrect line of thinking and you will soon be channeling Jeremiah Wright.

Only the brave should live in the US. as the US government has no nationalized food distribution system, no nationalized housing system, no nationalized system for clothing,, no nationalized system for water, no nationalized system … (post 4 point is) nobody cares? Really If you are sick do you not get treatment today, If you are hungry would a church not give you food, If you are homeless can you not find a shelter? And one wonders why the first book in the bible is one that exposes a lie.

I said “If you want to shut up those who stand for liberty all that is required is for you to bring with you 3 million anti-liberty protesters to DC and beat them at their own game.” And I should add, liberty is what is on the minds of the 2 million who did show.

]]> By: Jamie461 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447656 Jamie461 Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:57:31 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447656 Murdoch - well said. Rest assured that there are MANY of us in this country who are well-aware of the stupidity of the lunatic fringe pictured at that event yesterday. They have no idea how much they are being manipulated by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. The U.S. health care model is rapidly collapsing, and it is time for those of us with a sense of reason to hold firm against this shrinking minority driven by paranoia and manipulation. Murdoch - well said. Rest assured that there are MANY of us in this country who are well-aware of the stupidity of the lunatic fringe pictured at that event yesterday. They have no idea how much they are being manipulated by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. The U.S. health care model is rapidly collapsing, and it is time for those of us with a sense of reason to hold firm against this shrinking minority driven by paranoia and manipulation.

]]> By: james tardy http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447652 james tardy Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:45:57 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447652 I am so glad to see two things: First that the quality of the argument of the conservatives is as poor as it is, and second that they are being called out. The conservative movement in this country is dead and its coffin remains sealed as long as the tactics continue to be so ridiculous. Thank you, Fox News, for keeping the fish in the center of the barrel. Stupid and irrational argument is the only method the conservatives have left to make their "point". Stupidity is inherently unable to support itself. As long as we can continue to keep our heads about us, we can ensure that the nonsense of the past eight years is not repeated. Thank you to all those who are talking back to the scared little bunnies. May I suggest that we also try to calm them down. They are not going to be persuaded by sensible reasoning until they are able to reason them selves. I am so glad to see two things:
First that the quality of the argument of the conservatives is as poor as it is, and second that they are being called out.
The conservative movement in this country is dead and its coffin remains sealed as long as the tactics continue to be so ridiculous. Thank you, Fox News, for keeping the fish in the center of the barrel. Stupid and irrational argument is the only method the conservatives have left to make their “point”. Stupidity is inherently unable to support itself. As long as we can continue to keep our heads about us, we can ensure that the nonsense of the past eight years is not repeated.
Thank you to all those who are talking back to the scared little bunnies. May I suggest that we also try to calm them down. They are not going to be persuaded by sensible reasoning until they are able to reason them selves.

]]> By: Tim Harris http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447650 Tim Harris Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:42:30 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447650 Two million? My, we are inflating things, aren't we? Liberty? You wouldn't know what it is if it smacked you in the face. And Kidgeon, if you learnt to be a little more literate and a little less infantile both in your syntax and in what passes for thought in your head, you might begin to understand the world a little better, and a little less hysterically. Two million? My, we are inflating things, aren’t we? Liberty? You wouldn’t know what it is if it smacked you in the face. And Kidgeon, if you learnt to be a little more literate and a little less infantile both in your syntax and in what passes for thought in your head, you might begin to understand the world a little better, and a little less hysterically.

]]> By: regi naomi http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447649 regi naomi Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:52:33 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447649 Many of those protesters work at insurance companies and they couldn't write what they really want to say on their posters: "Save my little job at the insurance company!" Many of those protesters work at insurance companies and they couldn’t write what they really want to say on their posters: “Save my little job at the insurance company!”

]]> By: Bilbo http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447648 Bilbo Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:24:38 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/09/12/how-1994-happened/#comment-447648 Most estimates are saying there were 60,000-70,000 protesters at the event. And all that after 6 months of promotion on Fox News. Kind of sad when you think about it. There are not many of you, and your paranoid fantasies don't make much sense, so maybe you should just try screaming louder. Most estimates are saying there were 60,000-70,000 protesters at the event. And all that after 6 months of promotion on Fox News. Kind of sad when you think about it. There are not many of you, and your paranoid fantasies don’t make much sense, so maybe you should just try screaming louder.

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