Comments on: HOUSE RULES CHAIR: KILL THE SENATE BILL http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/ Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:14:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Joseph C. http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454960 Joseph C. Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:17:25 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454960 "But your country is now on the cusp of a historic change - and you got it right a while ago." A watershed this ain't. You're a clever fellow, but a bit off when it comes to American politics. November is likely to be a bloodbath for the Dems. “But your country is now on the cusp of a historic change - and you got it right a while ago.”

A watershed this ain’t. You’re a clever fellow, but a bit off when it comes to American politics. November is likely to be a bloodbath for the Dems.

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454832 Catron Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:36:41 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454832 Marc, you just don't know what you're talking about. A good new year's resolution for you would be to move beyond canned "progressive" talking points and actually learn the facts. One of the most interesting of these facts is that uninsured Americans tend to get better health care than the "insured" patients covered by <a href="http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/which-is-better-being-uninsured-in-the-us-or-being-insured-by-the-government-in-canada/" rel="nofollow">nationalized</a> health care systems. Marc, you just don’t know what you’re talking about. A good new year’s resolution for you would be to move beyond canned “progressive” talking points and actually learn the facts.

One of the most interesting of these facts is that uninsured Americans tend to get better health care than the “insured” patients covered by nationalized health care systems.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454808 Marc Brown Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:30:01 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454808 No David, you know perfectly well that charity care is hard to get and for the truly indigent. People with modest earnings have to pay something. You also know perfectly well that uninsured people very often are only able to seek help after symptoms have progressed - which is one reason why cancer outcomes are worse for the uninsured. And do answer the question - would you exchange places with an uninsured cancer sufferer? And I guess the obvious question - why do you want people in your country desperate enough to qualify for charity and not a proper national insurance system? Are you happy to give $200k of 'free care' - and who is really paying for that? No David, you know perfectly well that charity care is hard to get and for the truly indigent. People with modest earnings have to pay something. You also know perfectly well that uninsured people very often are only able to seek help after symptoms have progressed - which is one reason why cancer outcomes are worse for the uninsured. And do answer the question - would you exchange places with an uninsured cancer sufferer? And I guess the obvious question - why do you want people in your country desperate enough to qualify for charity and not a proper national insurance system? Are you happy to give $200k of ‘free care’ - and who is really paying for that?

]]> By: Catron http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454803 Catron Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:55:27 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454803 "So the uninsured get the same comprehensive care ... ?" Yep. American community hospitals have indigent/charity programs that cover such patients. I just approved several such patients for my hospital during last week or so. Those few amounted to more than $200 thousand in free care. “So the uninsured get the same comprehensive care … ?”

Yep. American community hospitals have indigent/charity programs that cover such patients.

I just approved several such patients for my hospital during last week or so.

Those few amounted to more than $200 thousand in free care.

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454774 Marc Brown Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:49:13 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454774 So the uninsured get the same comprehensive care, the same drugs, and chronic sickness is identical, as with gold plated insured people? But the bill has passed Senate, so long live reform and an end to inequality. I guess the acid test is for you to commit now to changing places with a newly diagnosed uninsured cancer sufferer. If you will not do that then ... So the uninsured get the same comprehensive care, the same drugs, and chronic sickness is identical, as with gold plated insured people? But the bill has passed Senate, so long live reform and an end to inequality. I guess the acid test is for you to commit now to changing places with a newly diagnosed uninsured cancer sufferer. If you will not do that then …

]]> By: Bettyhere http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454744 Bettyhere Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:41:21 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454744 Gee, Marc, people without health insurance get sick or hurt & die. Strangely enough, people with health insurance also get sick or hurt and die at the same rate--100%. My rich evil friends operate free medical facilities like MacDonald House, St. Jude's, Shriners Hospitals, endow hospitals, research facilities and clinics throughout the country--all of which will disappear eventually with this bill, along with all technological medical advances and new drugs. Can't thank the Dems enough--and I do mean CAN'T!!! Gee, Marc, people without health insurance get sick or hurt & die. Strangely enough, people with health insurance also get sick or hurt and die at the same rate–100%. My rich evil friends operate free medical facilities like MacDonald House, St. Jude’s, Shriners Hospitals, endow hospitals, research facilities and clinics throughout the country–all of which will disappear eventually with this bill, along with all technological medical advances and new drugs. Can’t thank the Dems enough–and I do mean CAN’T!!!

]]> By: ECM http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454677 ECM Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:38:41 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454677 To which "plight" are you referring? The one where they get taken care of at every ER in the country, regardless of your ability to pay? That "plight"? The "plight" of drug companies giving you free medicine if you can demonstrate need? That "plight"? The "plight" of doctors doing pro bono work totaling millions of dollars a year for those that can't otherwise afford it? That "plight"? Or are you merely referring to the "plight" of the Democrat congress that, even while totally in control of both the legislative and executive branches, can't actually pass the much stronger public option you so desperately want? That "plight"? To which “plight” are you referring? The one where they get taken care of at every ER in the country, regardless of your ability to pay? That “plight”? The “plight” of drug companies giving you free medicine if you can demonstrate need? That “plight”? The “plight” of doctors doing pro bono work totaling millions of dollars a year for those that can’t otherwise afford it? That “plight”? Or are you merely referring to the “plight” of the Democrat congress that, even while totally in control of both the legislative and executive branches, can’t actually pass the much stronger public option you so desperately want? That “plight”?

]]> By: Marc Brown http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454666 Marc Brown Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:56:32 +0000 http://www.healthcarebs.com/2009/12/23/house-rules-chair-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-454666 Now you're getting desperate again - bringing out the obvious and large constituency that wants the bill to go much further with a proper public option. But your country is now on the cusp of a historic change - and you got it right a while ago. You have to start small sometimes to get big. And I think we safely ignore your nonsense about Dems wanting only 'power and money' - what's certain is that you and your far right friends have not once given any thought to the plight of the uninsured. Now you’re getting desperate again - bringing out the obvious and large constituency that wants the bill to go much further with a proper public option. But your country is now on the cusp of a historic change - and you got it right a while ago. You have to start small sometimes to get big. And I think we safely ignore your nonsense about Dems wanting only ‘power and money’ - what’s certain is that you and your far right friends have not once given any thought to the plight of the uninsured.

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