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		<title>By: Catron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sarah Palin did not put death panel in quotes - she delivered that lie verbally.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, mikew, you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. She made the &quot;death panel&quot; comment in a Facebook post, and it does have quotes around it. You can read it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; if you have any interest in actual facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sarah Palin did not put death panel in quotes &#8211; she delivered that lie verbally.</i></p>
<p>Sorry, mikew, you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. She made the &#8220;death panel&#8221; comment in a Facebook post, and it does have quotes around it. You can read it <a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434" rel="nofollow">here</a> if you have any interest in actual facts.</p>
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		<title>By: mikew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin did not put death panel in quotes - she delivered that lie verbally and if she wanted to use wuotes would have raised both hands with two fingers.

The obvious proof of her and her handler&#039;s intent can be seen with the base and how they are parroting that deliberate falsehood.    They take her word literally and believe it wasn&#039;t in quotes.  They trust her at her word and she is betraying that trust.  When will you guys understand this important detail?

Its also very disrespectful to her target audience when taking it for granted that they will automatically buy into any falsehood fed to them, without question.   They&#039;ve grown too accustomed to expecting no requests for fact checking and this is only encouraging them to tell bigger and more outlandish lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin did not put death panel in quotes &#8211; she delivered that lie verbally and if she wanted to use wuotes would have raised both hands with two fingers.</p>
<p>The obvious proof of her and her handler&#8217;s intent can be seen with the base and how they are parroting that deliberate falsehood.    They take her word literally and believe it wasn&#8217;t in quotes.  They trust her at her word and she is betraying that trust.  When will you guys understand this important detail?</p>
<p>Its also very disrespectful to her target audience when taking it for granted that they will automatically buy into any falsehood fed to them, without question.   They&#8217;ve grown too accustomed to expecting no requests for fact checking and this is only encouraging them to tell bigger and more outlandish lies.</p>
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		<title>By: mikew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catron,
Kudos for throwing out that challenge because you wouldn&#039;t believe how rare that is from the right.  I&#039;ve wanted to discuss this since the days of &quot;clinton (and bush) lies!&quot; (and if you know of others willing to discuss this please fix this misperception by directing me to some - thanks).   

&quot;Lie&quot; is a word that misused about as much as &quot;racist&quot;.   It involves motive and awareness of deliberation, so unless they admit to it, we can only judge from the evidence of their statements.   How accurate does it represent the indisputable and pertinent facts, etc.

Catron:&quot;Is it because you’re just robotically repeating the BS you’ve feen fed?&quot;
That would be a pojection from a palin supporter.   
What would you call avoiding answers that are too hard to refute?  

I dont know if you have an aversion to answering to your 10-day old posts, so will just point out that there was no acknowledgement of the prior response to palin lying or not, regarding her &quot;no thanks&quot; bridge stance.  Being ignorant of her prior statements isn&#039;t a good image.   (Did that fool anyone? Yes, as intended - but only those willing to be fooled)

Couple of points:
1. Sarahphobia is being mistaken for Sarahloathing, which is the same as cheneyloathing.  That is the loathing and disgust with deliberate misleadings, where accuracy cant stand up to the simplest fact checking - and how it fools people into believing falsehoods, as intended.  Its the degree of inaccuracy or contemptuous of facts that evoke the strongest loathing - as it should from everyone too.

2.  She has the base believing she was against receiving bridge funds as governor.  Many also believe her enough to believe obama a terrorist, muslim, illegal alien, etc.   Its deliberate when they never try to correct things, specially when they&#039;re farthest from the facts.

3.  Another base ...bamboozlement.. or the blissness in being fooled.   Google &quot;palin teleprompter&quot; and see how much the right parrots the false fact of her not using a teleprompter in her last two speeches as gov.   Its not her lie, but there is nobody on the right who will dare correct this inaccuracy.   Nobody on the left thinks the use of teleprompters should be an issue, the way the right obsesses on it (robotically?).  Palin used a teleprompter for both speeches so why why would  the right be so content with boasting the opposite - that she didn&#039;t use one?   

The right is being expected to be predictably robotic by their pied pipers, to believe the most far fetched things.  The deception targets them the most because they are reliably averse to fact checking - doing so would be out-of-step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catron,<br />
Kudos for throwing out that challenge because you wouldn&#8217;t believe how rare that is from the right.  I&#8217;ve wanted to discuss this since the days of &#8220;clinton (and bush) lies!&#8221; (and if you know of others willing to discuss this please fix this misperception by directing me to some &#8211; thanks).   </p>
<p>&#8220;Lie&#8221; is a word that misused about as much as &#8220;racist&#8221;.   It involves motive and awareness of deliberation, so unless they admit to it, we can only judge from the evidence of their statements.   How accurate does it represent the indisputable and pertinent facts, etc.</p>
<p>Catron:&#8221;Is it because you’re just robotically repeating the BS you’ve feen fed?&#8221;<br />
That would be a pojection from a palin supporter.<br />
What would you call avoiding answers that are too hard to refute?  </p>
<p>I dont know if you have an aversion to answering to your 10-day old posts, so will just point out that there was no acknowledgement of the prior response to palin lying or not, regarding her &#8220;no thanks&#8221; bridge stance.  Being ignorant of her prior statements isn&#8217;t a good image.   (Did that fool anyone? Yes, as intended &#8211; but only those willing to be fooled)</p>
<p>Couple of points:<br />
1. Sarahphobia is being mistaken for Sarahloathing, which is the same as cheneyloathing.  That is the loathing and disgust with deliberate misleadings, where accuracy cant stand up to the simplest fact checking &#8211; and how it fools people into believing falsehoods, as intended.  Its the degree of inaccuracy or contemptuous of facts that evoke the strongest loathing &#8211; as it should from everyone too.</p>
<p>2.  She has the base believing she was against receiving bridge funds as governor.  Many also believe her enough to believe obama a terrorist, muslim, illegal alien, etc.   Its deliberate when they never try to correct things, specially when they&#8217;re farthest from the facts.</p>
<p>3.  Another base &#8230;bamboozlement.. or the blissness in being fooled.   Google &#8220;palin teleprompter&#8221; and see how much the right parrots the false fact of her not using a teleprompter in her last two speeches as gov.   Its not her lie, but there is nobody on the right who will dare correct this inaccuracy.   Nobody on the left thinks the use of teleprompters should be an issue, the way the right obsesses on it (robotically?).  Palin used a teleprompter for both speeches so why why would  the right be so content with boasting the opposite &#8211; that she didn&#8217;t use one?   </p>
<p>The right is being expected to be predictably robotic by their pied pipers, to believe the most far fetched things.  The deception targets them the most because they are reliably averse to fact checking &#8211; doing so would be out-of-step.</p>
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		<title>By: william williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>william williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I recognize that politically correct sensitivity has made ordinary democrats on the street, people you might talk to, not candidates, incapable of really thinking or dealing with ANY international issues, other than to speak of peace and love, like those were easier than war.
But if republicans are so stoical and independent, why can&#039;t they stop &quot;reacting&quot; to the stupidity of the dem party and many of its voters and follow a serious international strategy of diplomacy and war, while eschewing, intensely, wars of choice and torture.
Why can&#039;t palin say, Obama isn&#039;t defending this country ... although I don&#039;t believe in torture and we should stop it and punish it ... obama&#039;s plan isn&#039;t serious.
Why does she have to imply that obama&#039;s failing is that his administration isn&#039;t &quot;vicious&quot; enough? Their incompetent, directionless, ignorant, sure. Isn&#039;t that enough? Does the lack of torture have to be a fourth negative for obama? can&#039;t the right say, &quot;obama sucks, but we&#039;re glad the torture has stopped&quot;?
Like I said, the democrats don&#039;t even say that now, so I&#039;m not a lefty (a la andrea sully) who thinks the right is the torture party and the dems are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I recognize that politically correct sensitivity has made ordinary democrats on the street, people you might talk to, not candidates, incapable of really thinking or dealing with ANY international issues, other than to speak of peace and love, like those were easier than war.<br />
But if republicans are so stoical and independent, why can&#8217;t they stop &#8220;reacting&#8221; to the stupidity of the dem party and many of its voters and follow a serious international strategy of diplomacy and war, while eschewing, intensely, wars of choice and torture.<br />
Why can&#8217;t palin say, Obama isn&#8217;t defending this country &#8230; although I don&#8217;t believe in torture and we should stop it and punish it &#8230; obama&#8217;s plan isn&#8217;t serious.<br />
Why does she have to imply that obama&#8217;s failing is that his administration isn&#8217;t &#8220;vicious&#8221; enough? Their incompetent, directionless, ignorant, sure. Isn&#8217;t that enough? Does the lack of torture have to be a fourth negative for obama? can&#8217;t the right say, &#8220;obama sucks, but we&#8217;re glad the torture has stopped&#8221;?<br />
Like I said, the democrats don&#8217;t even say that now, so I&#8217;m not a lefty (a la andrea sully) who thinks the right is the torture party and the dems are not.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a conditional Sarah Palin supporter, I would like to say that Mr. Sullivan did draw up a definitive list of actual lies of hers, some of which could be explained, or show his ignorance of some viewpoints, but some of which are genuinely troubling.

I really think Palin is the best option at the moment, and her lack of qualifications does not trouble me.

I would like to object to the insults against dissenters here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a conditional Sarah Palin supporter, I would like to say that Mr. Sullivan did draw up a definitive list of actual lies of hers, some of which could be explained, or show his ignorance of some viewpoints, but some of which are genuinely troubling.</p>
<p>I really think Palin is the best option at the moment, and her lack of qualifications does not trouble me.</p>
<p>I would like to object to the insults against dissenters here.</p>
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		<title>By: william williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>william williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a sarahphobe who doesn&#039;t really care, because I&#039;m also an obamaphobe and never thought palin was worse than obama.
They both mouth platitudes which are then passed off by their respective media allies as honest, in touch, &quot;of the people&quot; talk. The difference is that palin is typecast as an earthmother anti elitist, while obama is typecast as saint fancytalk (despite his speeches that are even lamer than palin&#039;s), also a sinless son of the whole wide world, and not anti elitist, but an elite who rebels against the elite and has come to protect the poor from their clutches.
I think palin would be more than happy to sell out to big payer interests on the right (and possibly the left) while I can SEE, right NOW, the evidence that obama does the same.
They both, to me, represent shady deals with big bucks and crony capitalism (government favors and interference on the part of campaign sponsors) rather than &quot;freedom&quot; or justice.
My only hard beef with the palin supporters (and the right today) is that they can&#039;t back away from fear, calling it patriotism, and think to act against torture and wars of choice. But then again, I can no longer pretend that the dems don&#039;t do the same. So it looks like I&#039;m just a lefty wacko, stuck with torture and endless wars and corruption, no matter which party is in charge.

What does that make me?
or am I so &quot;one of a kind&quot;? I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a sarahphobe who doesn&#8217;t really care, because I&#8217;m also an obamaphobe and never thought palin was worse than obama.<br />
They both mouth platitudes which are then passed off by their respective media allies as honest, in touch, &#8220;of the people&#8221; talk. The difference is that palin is typecast as an earthmother anti elitist, while obama is typecast as saint fancytalk (despite his speeches that are even lamer than palin&#8217;s), also a sinless son of the whole wide world, and not anti elitist, but an elite who rebels against the elite and has come to protect the poor from their clutches.<br />
I think palin would be more than happy to sell out to big payer interests on the right (and possibly the left) while I can SEE, right NOW, the evidence that obama does the same.<br />
They both, to me, represent shady deals with big bucks and crony capitalism (government favors and interference on the part of campaign sponsors) rather than &#8220;freedom&#8221; or justice.<br />
My only hard beef with the palin supporters (and the right today) is that they can&#8217;t back away from fear, calling it patriotism, and think to act against torture and wars of choice. But then again, I can no longer pretend that the dems don&#8217;t do the same. So it looks like I&#8217;m just a lefty wacko, stuck with torture and endless wars and corruption, no matter which party is in charge.</p>
<p>What does that make me?<br />
or am I so &#8220;one of a kind&#8221;? I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: DKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nothing I hate more than going to a reliably conservative site and seeing some stupid libs’ opinions.&quot;
 This quote is a symptom of the reason why I can never vote Republican again. My last red vote, Father, was in 1996.
 One cannot surround themselves with themselves and be a creative and proactive force for effective public service. The intelligent and the leaders of America (take our founding fathers, for example) demand a hearty debate involving passion and respect. The Bush/Cheney model of subterfuge and lies will never fulfill America&#039;s need for progress. Sarah who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nothing I hate more than going to a reliably conservative site and seeing some stupid libs’ opinions.&#8221;<br />
 This quote is a symptom of the reason why I can never vote Republican again. My last red vote, Father, was in 1996.<br />
 One cannot surround themselves with themselves and be a creative and proactive force for effective public service. The intelligent and the leaders of America (take our founding fathers, for example) demand a hearty debate involving passion and respect. The Bush/Cheney model of subterfuge and lies will never fulfill America&#8217;s need for progress. Sarah who?</p>
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		<title>By: Papa Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papa Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m sure Palin isn&#039;t perfect, if you put her beside any other democrat or republican politician she looks pretty good in comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m sure Palin isn&#8217;t perfect, if you put her beside any other democrat or republican politician she looks pretty good in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: elixelx</title>
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		<dc:creator>elixelx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sully is to Reason what Yossarian is to Catch-22 --a poor victim caught in a closed loop; only this is of his own making.
Consider--he wants Sarah to prove that she&#039;s not a half-wit (to prove a negative); but if she proves she&#039;s not a half wit, she&#039;s very clever; and if she&#039;s very clever, AS will pooh-pooh her proof!
Is it any wonder she ignores him like he was a piece of used bumf with pooh-pooh all over it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sully is to Reason what Yossarian is to Catch-22 &#8211;a poor victim caught in a closed loop; only this is of his own making.<br />
Consider&#8211;he wants Sarah to prove that she&#8217;s not a half-wit (to prove a negative); but if she proves she&#8217;s not a half wit, she&#8217;s very clever; and if she&#8217;s very clever, AS will pooh-pooh her proof!<br />
Is it any wonder she ignores him like he was a piece of used bumf with pooh-pooh all over it?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Erimita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Erimita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sarahphobes (name the last failed VP candidate who was still one of two most prominent people in politics 14 months after being defeated) despise her because she is &quot;unqualified.&quot; Yet they happily elected someone with even less experience simply because he speaks like they do and was constructed by the media as a progressive hero. They neither know nor care a thing about any of his pre-run credentials or accomplishments. They just KNOW he&#039;s qualified. And really, really smart.

Matty says she&#039;s a tool of the conservative elite. You mean like, say Krauthammer, who despises her? Noonan? Brooks? No, Matty, the conservative elite fear what she represents, the Great Unwashed realizing their country has been taken from them by elites and concentrated business interests, wrapped in parties that mouth putatively opposing ideologies, but who act to concentrate power and wealth in the same hands. They more they express their norror and contempt, the more they reinforce the backlash among the Unwashed, the more they love Sarah.

I ask again, why does anyone pay any attention to Sullivan? With his deranged obsession with Palin&#039;s womb and his Foucaultian horro/attraction to &quot;torture (&quot;remember the cruelties!&quot;) it is well known he has become a ranting loon on the level of a Pat Robertson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sarahphobes (name the last failed VP candidate who was still one of two most prominent people in politics 14 months after being defeated) despise her because she is &#8220;unqualified.&#8221; Yet they happily elected someone with even less experience simply because he speaks like they do and was constructed by the media as a progressive hero. They neither know nor care a thing about any of his pre-run credentials or accomplishments. They just KNOW he&#8217;s qualified. And really, really smart.</p>
<p>Matty says she&#8217;s a tool of the conservative elite. You mean like, say Krauthammer, who despises her? Noonan? Brooks? No, Matty, the conservative elite fear what she represents, the Great Unwashed realizing their country has been taken from them by elites and concentrated business interests, wrapped in parties that mouth putatively opposing ideologies, but who act to concentrate power and wealth in the same hands. They more they express their norror and contempt, the more they reinforce the backlash among the Unwashed, the more they love Sarah.</p>
<p>I ask again, why does anyone pay any attention to Sullivan? With his deranged obsession with Palin&#8217;s womb and his Foucaultian horro/attraction to &#8220;torture (&#8220;remember the cruelties!&#8221;) it is well known he has become a ranting loon on the level of a Pat Robertson.</p>
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