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	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2010/06/16/rand-paul-the-dem-msm-smear-du-jour/#comment-460732</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, Gaulte, et al ... See the above mea culpa in my &quot;update to the update&quot; (on the board certification issue).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, Gaulte, et al &#8230; See the above mea culpa in my &#8220;update to the update&#8221; (on the board certification issue).</p>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2010/06/16/rand-paul-the-dem-msm-smear-du-jour/#comment-460648</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 02:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy. I’m sure glad I decided to gild the lily with that update. I inadvertently did Marc’s job (i.e. introduce a gratuitous distraction).
  
At any rate, just so you don’t think I’ve been hitting the jug, here are two Medicaid applications (from different states, neither of which is mine) that ask for board certification info. The board certification question is on page 2 of each:

http://medicaidalaska.com/Downloads/Providers/AK_Provider_Application_02012010.pdf

http://medicaidprovider.hhs.mt.gov/pdf/enrollform.pdf

The app for my state is similar, and does explicitly ask for board cert info, but that’s because the fiscal intermediary (ACS) is the same as these two states. In states that use EDS (now HP) as their FI, the apps don’t ask for board certification information.

Which brings me to Rich’s Medicare provider apps. CMS allows some latitude to the fiscal intermediaries for Medicare and Medicaid on a variety of program implementation details. As the Medicaid examples suggest, this includes some tinkering with the provider apps.
 
So, either my memory has betrayed me and conflated an app from some other provider with a Medicare app, or my region’s FI (or MAC, as it is now called) enhanced the basic CMS form with a question about board certification.

In the morning, I’ll ask the poor wretch who actually birddogs these apps. Details at eleven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy. I’m sure glad I decided to gild the lily with that update. I inadvertently did Marc’s job (i.e. introduce a gratuitous distraction).</p>
<p>At any rate, just so you don’t think I’ve been hitting the jug, here are two Medicaid applications (from different states, neither of which is mine) that ask for board certification info. The board certification question is on page 2 of each:</p>
<p><a href="http://medicaidalaska.com/Downloads/Providers/AK_Provider_Application_02012010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://medicaidalaska.com/Downloads/Providers/AK_Provider_Application_02012010.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://medicaidprovider.hhs.mt.gov/pdf/enrollform.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://medicaidprovider.hhs.mt.gov/pdf/enrollform.pdf</a></p>
<p>The app for my state is similar, and does explicitly ask for board cert info, but that’s because the fiscal intermediary (ACS) is the same as these two states. In states that use EDS (now HP) as their FI, the apps don’t ask for board certification information.</p>
<p>Which brings me to Rich’s Medicare provider apps. CMS allows some latitude to the fiscal intermediaries for Medicare and Medicaid on a variety of program implementation details. As the Medicaid examples suggest, this includes some tinkering with the provider apps.</p>
<p>So, either my memory has betrayed me and conflated an app from some other provider with a Medicare app, or my region’s FI (or MAC, as it is now called) enhanced the basic CMS form with a question about board certification.</p>
<p>In the morning, I’ll ask the poor wretch who actually birddogs these apps. Details at eleven.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2010/06/16/rand-paul-the-dem-msm-smear-du-jour/#comment-460639</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the Medicare New Provider Application:
http://www.cms.gov/cmsforms/downloads/cms855i.pdf

and here is the NPI application: 
http://www.cms.gov/cmsforms/downloads/CMS10114.pdf

Neither mentions anything about Board status or board certification, nor do they provide an opportunity to report it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the Medicare New Provider Application:<br />
<a href="http://www.cms.gov/cmsforms/downloads/cms855i.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cms.gov/cmsforms/downloads/cms855i.pdf</a></p>
<p>and here is the NPI application:<br />
<a href="http://www.cms.gov/cmsforms/downloads/CMS10114.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cms.gov/cmsforms/downloads/CMS10114.pdf</a></p>
<p>Neither mentions anything about Board status or board certification, nor do they provide an opportunity to report it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuous professional education and accreditation are not limited to the specialty boards. Medicare asks for board status but makes no requirement of certification or continuing education, at least not to date.

I am not willing to pay more tax for Medicare/Medicaid. the Medicare problem could be improved by allowing balance billing (at least in primary care) thus allowing providers to compete on price, quality, and customer service.

Medicaid could be improved by stopping payment for such things as tylenol, talc powder, otc athletes foot remedies, Viagra, taxi fare, aspirin, multivitamins, petrolatum jelly, and many others. Anyone coming to the office with an iPhone and nikes should pay for their own condoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuous professional education and accreditation are not limited to the specialty boards. Medicare asks for board status but makes no requirement of certification or continuing education, at least not to date.</p>
<p>I am not willing to pay more tax for Medicare/Medicaid. the Medicare problem could be improved by allowing balance billing (at least in primary care) thus allowing providers to compete on price, quality, and customer service.</p>
<p>Medicaid could be improved by stopping payment for such things as tylenol, talc powder, otc athletes foot remedies, Viagra, taxi fare, aspirin, multivitamins, petrolatum jelly, and many others. Anyone coming to the office with an iPhone and nikes should pay for their own condoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there you go. Continuous professional education and accreditation is likely to become more important in the US and elsewhere as medicine advances more quickly and also because those who don&#039;t perform enough of a complex procedure must be stopped.  

And as for payments, I&#039;ve asked you this so many times but you&#039;ve never answered. Are you willing to pay more tax to fund Medicare/Medicaid payments? If not, what cuts will you make to fund the payments? Bear in mind that the US is already paying double or more per head for healthcare than other developed nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there you go. Continuous professional education and accreditation is likely to become more important in the US and elsewhere as medicine advances more quickly and also because those who don&#8217;t perform enough of a complex procedure must be stopped.  </p>
<p>And as for payments, I&#8217;ve asked you this so many times but you&#8217;ve never answered. Are you willing to pay more tax to fund Medicare/Medicaid payments? If not, what cuts will you make to fund the payments? Bear in mind that the US is already paying double or more per head for healthcare than other developed nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As far as I know board certification is not a requirement ...&lt;/i&gt;

As it happens, one of my staff just finished a Medicaid application for one of our docs. and it contains two questions that specifically address board certification. I haven’t had the misfortune of reading a Medicare application in more than a year (thank God), but I’m pretty sure the NPI app has similar questions. Hopefully, even CMS (which dictates the guidelines for both programs) would not ask for such basic information for no reason (although that is certainly not a given).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As far as I know board certification is not a requirement &#8230;</i></p>
<p>As it happens, one of my staff just finished a Medicaid application for one of our docs. and it contains two questions that specifically address board certification. I haven’t had the misfortune of reading a Medicare application in more than a year (thank God), but I’m pretty sure the NPI app has similar questions. Hopefully, even CMS (which dictates the guidelines for both programs) would not ask for such basic information for no reason (although that is certainly not a given).</p>
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		<title>By: james gaulte</title>
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		<dc:creator>james gaulte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, as far as I know board certification is not a requirement to have a provider number issued nor to received Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, as far as I know board certification is not a requirement to have a provider number issued nor to received Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement.</p>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You don’t know what his costs are so you can’t say he gets less than cost.&lt;/i&gt;

Don’t’ be ridiculous, Marc. That Medicare and Medicaid pay below cost for physicians and hospitals is a well-documented reality that no informed observer bothers to dispute. Even those specialists who receive (relatively) decent reimbursement for some procedures get hammered on office visits. That’s why there is a serious and worsening doctor shortage for patients covered under these programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You don’t know what his costs are so you can’t say he gets less than cost.</i></p>
<p>Don’t’ be ridiculous, Marc. That Medicare and Medicaid pay below cost for physicians and hospitals is a well-documented reality that no informed observer bothers to dispute. Even those specialists who receive (relatively) decent reimbursement for some procedures get hammered on office visits. That’s why there is a serious and worsening doctor shortage for patients covered under these programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points. First, you don&#039;t know what his costs are so you can&#039;t say he gets less than cost. He&#039;s obviously doing more than all right with about half his patients on Medicare. Second, as a far right free market acolyte he is being hypocritical. And third, the future clearly points to physicians being not only certified but signed up to maintenance of certification, and your health reform bill does I believe make provision for this in the quality reporting programme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points. First, you don&#8217;t know what his costs are so you can&#8217;t say he gets less than cost. He&#8217;s obviously doing more than all right with about half his patients on Medicare. Second, as a far right free market acolyte he is being hypocritical. And third, the future clearly points to physicians being not only certified but signed up to maintenance of certification, and your health reform bill does I believe make provision for this in the quality reporting programme.</p>
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