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	<title>Comments on: BERWICK BITES THE DUST?</title>
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	<description>Cleaning the Augean Stables of the Health Care Debate</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Marton</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2011/03/05/berwick-bites-the-dust/#comment-463760</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Marton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 15:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known Don Berwick (as a colleague) for over 20 years and have read much of his work. More importantly, I&#039;ve watched, and in some cases participated, in his work. To attribute &quot;Soviet style Central control&quot; to him is to pull that concept our of thin air--or maybe some part of your anatomy. 
Maybe he wasn&#039;t meant to be part of the rough and tumble of Washington politics. Fortunately for American health care, I know he&#039;ll continue to have a positive impact on what we physicians do after he leaves CMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known Don Berwick (as a colleague) for over 20 years and have read much of his work. More importantly, I&#8217;ve watched, and in some cases participated, in his work. To attribute &#8220;Soviet style Central control&#8221; to him is to pull that concept our of thin air&#8211;or maybe some part of your anatomy.<br />
Maybe he wasn&#8217;t meant to be part of the rough and tumble of Washington politics. Fortunately for American health care, I know he&#8217;ll continue to have a positive impact on what we physicians do after he leaves CMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2011/03/05/berwick-bites-the-dust/#comment-463766</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 14:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I accept Kenneth Arrowâ€™s famous analysis of the factors that differentiate the health care market from the classic model of perfectly efficient self-clearing markets &#8230;</i></p>
<p>Having been unable to counter the original point of the post (that Berwick is an advocate of central government planning), you now want to change the subject to the tired â€œhealth care is specialâ€? meme. </p>
<p>That you trundle out that hoary talking point confirms (1) the accuracy of <a href="http://www.healthcarebs.com/2010/06/08/zogby-the-left-flunks-econ-101/" rel="nofollow"><em>last yearâ€™s survey</em></a> showing that progressives tend to be illiterate in economics and (2) that you have surrendered on your initial claim about Berwick.</p>
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		<title>By: nyp</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2011/03/05/berwick-bites-the-dust/#comment-463762</link>
		<dc:creator>nyp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 12:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, in context, are Dr. Berwick&#039;s actual remarks:

&quot;Itâ€™s a popular idea: that Adam Smithâ€™s invisible hand would do a better job of designing care than leaders with plans can.  I do not agree.  I find little evidence anywhere that market forces, bluntly used, that is, consumer choice among an array of products with competitorsâ€™ fighting it out, leads to the health care system you want and need.  In the US, competition has become toxic; it is a major reason for our duplicative, supply-driven, fragmented care system.  Trust transparency; trust the wisdom of the informed public; but, do not trust market forces to give you the system you need.  I favor total transparency, strong managerial skills, and accountability for improvement.  I favor expanding choices. But, I cannot believe that the individual health care consumer can enforce through choice the proper configurations of a system as massive and complex as health care. That is for leaders to do&quot;

I agree with that.  I guess the idea that I accept Kenneth Arrow&#039;s famous analysis of the factors that differentiate the health care market from the classic model of perfectly efficient self-clearing markets makes me a Bolshie like Dr. Berwidk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, in context, are Dr. Berwick&#8217;s actual remarks:</p>
<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s a popular idea: that Adam Smithâ€™s invisible hand would do a better job of designing care than leaders with plans can.  I do not agree.  I find little evidence anywhere that market forces, bluntly used, that is, consumer choice among an array of products with competitorsâ€™ fighting it out, leads to the health care system you want and need.  In the US, competition has become toxic; it is a major reason for our duplicative, supply-driven, fragmented care system.  Trust transparency; trust the wisdom of the informed public; but, do not trust market forces to give you the system you need.  I favor total transparency, strong managerial skills, and accountability for improvement.  I favor expanding choices. But, I cannot believe that the individual health care consumer can enforce through choice the proper configurations of a system as massive and complex as health care. That is for leaders to do&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with that.  I guess the idea that I accept Kenneth Arrow&#8217;s famous analysis of the factors that differentiate the health care market from the classic model of perfectly efficient self-clearing markets makes me a Bolshie like Dr. Berwidk.</p>
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		<title>By: Catron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2011/03/05/berwick-bites-the-dust/#comment-463756</link>
		<dc:creator>Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is obviously a lot that you&#039;ve &quot;never heard&quot; about health reform in general, and Berwick in particular. 

However, no (objective) person can read his many writings about &quot;cost control&quot; and &quot;efficiency&quot; and avoid the conclusion that he&#039;s an old-fashioned central planning advocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is obviously a lot that you&#8217;ve &#8220;never heard&#8221; about health reform in general, and Berwick in particular. </p>
<p>However, no (objective) person can read his many writings about &#8220;cost control&#8221; and &#8220;efficiency&#8221; and avoid the conclusion that he&#8217;s an old-fashioned central planning advocate.</p>
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		<title>By: nyp</title>
		<link>http://www.healthcarebs.com/2011/03/05/berwick-bites-the-dust/#comment-463753</link>
		<dc:creator>nyp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny - I&#039;ve never once heard Donald Berwick say that he was a &quot;big believer in Soviet-style central control.&quot;  
Not once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny &#8211; I&#8217;ve never once heard Donald Berwick say that he was a &#8220;big believer in Soviet-style central control.&#8221;<br />
Not once.</p>
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